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To: fishtank

She was a sinner who needed a Savior.

Wrong wrong wrong.

The Angel Gabriel announced to the world “Hail Full of grace”.

And the kecharitomene is the past perfect form meaning ALWAYS full of grace.

You cannot have always been full of grace and be a sinner.

Lurking’


94 posted on 05/02/2008 7:42:04 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: LurkingSince'98; fishtank
All of God's family is "full of grace."

And everyone of them, including Mary, was and is a sinner in need of a Savior.

When the multitude informed Christ His mother had arrived, Jesus corrected them...

"There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.

And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." -- Mark 3:31-35

And this story is so important three of the four Gospels mention it exactly as written here...for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

122 posted on 05/02/2008 9:56:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: LurkingSince'98

“And the kecharitomene is the past perfect form meaning ALWAYS
full of grace.You cannot have always been full of grace andbe a sinner.”

First, Gabriel said, “ And he came in unto her, and said,
Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee”
- not Hail, full of grace. The word is a perfect participle -
showing she was a recipient of grace ie - “favored”.
And not a bestower of grace. The context also prohibits this.

Eph. 1:6 is the only other use of this word in the NT,
and is there rendered to mean, “made acceptable”.

You do know the difference between grace, holiness and
sinlessness? Mary received grace, but was not sinless
as a human.

They are quite different.

Mary should be exalted and esteemed, as God said.
She should not be worshiped. In fact, no where does
it say she should be prayed to or that she can even
hear a prayer of someone on earth.

In general, Protestants make too little of Mary and
Catholics too much.

best,
ampu


179 posted on 05/03/2008 1:08:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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