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MEATLESS FRIDAYS and the Official Church Law (Surprise!)
Life Enterprises Unlimited ^ | Father David C. Trosch

Posted on 02/28/2006 10:01:19 AM PST by NYer

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To: NYer

Just a clarification.

Who are these guys:
The National Conference of Catholic
(American) Bishops - NCCB

I've heard of the USCCB, but not of the NCCB.

Just wondering.

Thanks.


61 posted on 02/28/2006 1:36:07 PM PST by DTwistedSisterS
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To: Sloth; Campion; bremenboy

"those infidel Douay-Rheims translators"

I don't know. Compare your contribution:

Now the Spirit manifestly saith that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error and doctrines of devils, speaking lies in hypocrisy and having their conscience seared, forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful and by them that have known the truth. -- I Timothy 4:1-3

with the actual Douay-Rheims translation: (subtitled "Lying teachers")

Now the Spirit expressly says that in after times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, 2 speaking lies hypocritically, and having their conscience branded. 3 They will forbid marriage, and will enjoin abstinence from foods, which God has created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who know the truth.


62 posted on 02/28/2006 1:54:39 PM PST by Daffy
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To: NYer

Realizing how hard it was to remember to do penance on Fridays, my hubby and I decided to go back to the meatless Fridays. I like it because the need to do something different reminds us why we are doing it - to commemorate Jesus' sufferings, and keep them fresh in our minds.

These little signs are (or ought to be) signals to ourselves and others of our personal committment.

And that is a good thing.


63 posted on 02/28/2006 2:51:19 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: zerosix
Precisely what does "meatless Fridays" have to do with the teachings of Christ?

Why not troll elsewhere?
64 posted on 02/28/2006 2:59:47 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: zerosix
Does that mean that if Catholics "sacrifice" the eating of meat on Fridays, desserts during Lent, etc. that they have a better relationship with Jesus Christ? Or do people get used to abstaining this or that during proscribed times decided upon by the Catholic hierarchy and do it as a rule without ever spending time daily in prayer and actually asking God's for a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, as well as forgiveness for one's sins; daily Bible Study and meditation on the message that they have just read?

I'm not trying to be contentious here,

Baloney.
65 posted on 02/28/2006 3:02:02 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Notwithstanding
Our clergy do all our mediation and contemplation. We don't have to pray. We don't have to think. We just pay enough money and "shazam" we get into heaven. Its kind of like being saved. It's such a sweet deal.

On another note, fasting helps me to worship Mary and the rest of the Holy Square better.
66 posted on 02/28/2006 3:06:35 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Sloth
Of course, real fasting is NOT EATING AT ALL -- a far cry from this convenient food-group-specific practice, which is more similar to the Muslim 'fasting' during Ramadan wherein they can eat all they want after dark.

Feel free to fast how you feel works best and makes you more of a macho man.
67 posted on 02/28/2006 3:08:00 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: zerosix

He established the Catholic Church to teach in His name


68 posted on 02/28/2006 3:19:46 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: zerosix
Lent is a time of prayer, fasting and giving alms. It includes all you suggest but much more. It includes Communion/Eucharist. And there is nothing that better establishes a personal relationship with Jesus.

His Body and Blood builds upon and transforms our nature making us partakers of His Divine Nature

2 Peter...By whom he hath given us most great and precious promises: that by these you may be made partakers of the divine nature: flying the corruption of that concupiscence which is in the world

*Your good nature can be perfected by the Grace of Jesus in the Sacramental System in the Church Jesus established as His Ark of Salvation.

Have a Blessed Lent, brother

69 posted on 02/28/2006 3:29:16 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Daffy; Campion; bremenboy

Odd. Is there more than one version of the Douay-Rheims? All of these sites concur with what I posted:

http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=1ti+4:3&version=rhe&context=1&showtools=1
http://catholicfirst.com/thefaith/bible/1timothy.cfm
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/61004.htm
http://www.biblehelpsonline.com/lp-douay_rheims_1899/1Timothy.htm
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/christianisrael/douay/B54C004.htm
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bible/douayr.iTim.4.html?bcb=0


70 posted on 02/28/2006 4:06:16 PM PST by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: Campion

Dude, you are on a roll!

F


71 posted on 02/28/2006 4:39:06 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~GK Chesterton.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
my hubby and I decided to go back to the meatless Fridays. I like it because the need to do something different reminds us why we are doing it - to commemorate Jesus' sufferings, and keep them fresh in our minds.

And that is precisely the spirit in which this abstinence was developed. It is such a small share in the sufferings of our Lord - a gnawing reminder of what He accomplished for us as well as a grateful acknowledgement.


72 posted on 02/28/2006 4:41:52 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: DTwistedSisterS

The USCCB used to be the NCCB. Changed the name about 5-10 years ago.


73 posted on 02/28/2006 4:44:05 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: NYer

Will this mean the return of tha Baloot boys to the streets of Manila?

Every Friday you could hear their cries....Baaaloooot! BaaaLooot!

Balot is a ready to hatch chick which though meat is an egg and legal on Friday in heavily Catholic Manila.


74 posted on 02/28/2006 4:46:52 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Once an Eagle....always an Eagle)
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To: NYer; Knitting A Conundrum

Nice post, NYer! I've given up meat again too for the past several years when I finally actually read the entire discipline of the NCCB (which was totally ignored). A cheese sandwich on Fridays and the fish or veggies on Friday night sure focus my mind on the memorial of Good Friday! So do the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Rosary.

F


75 posted on 02/28/2006 4:50:01 PM PST by Frank Sheed ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." ~GK Chesterton.)
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To: Campion; zerosix
Any Catholic who doesn't take time to pray every day, though -- not just during Lent but all year -- just plain isn't doing it right.

Here again, we are following the lead of our Lord and Savior who prayed to His Father for those who had been entrusted to Him. They, in turn, prayed for those entrusted to them down through these 2000 years. The forms of prayer are so beautiful and varied. For the past several months, I have been praying the Maronite Divine Office. Like the Jewish tradition it followed, it begins with the evening prayers of Ramsho and culminates with the morning prayers of Safro . These include the praying of Psalms and readings from Scripture.

It only takes 20 minutes to follow these beautiful prayers. They put a smile on my face in the morning and enfold me with their warmth in the evening.

76 posted on 02/28/2006 4:54:13 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: sassbox; Campion; ken5050
I sure am going to miss this place - starting tomorrow I'm giving up FReeping for Lent.

Now see here! I can understand the motivation - denial of something pleasurable - but you could not have picked a worse time to absent yourself from FR. During Lent, the postings are often spiritual in nature, drawing you closer to God. It's your call - and other have done this as well - but, trust me :-) - Lent is when we pull out all the spiritual stops and try to rouse christians in their Lenten practices.

You may want to check in periodically to see if there are any important posts such as the pope's Stations of the Cross on Good Friday. Last year when JPII was so ill, it fell upon the shoulder of (then) Cardinal Ratzinger to lead the stations. When he reached #9, his comments drew instantaneous media attention. This is what he said:

* * * * *

 
Via Crucis, Scuola Veneta - Sec. XVIII
Cattedrale - Padova

NINTH STATION
Jesus falls for the third time

V/. Adoramus te, Christe, et benedicimus tibi.
R/. Quia per sanctam crucem tuam redemisti mundum.

From the Book of Lamentations. 3:27-32

It is good for a man that he bear the yoke in his youth. Let him sit alone in silence when he has laid it on him; let him put his mouth in the dust - there may yet be hope; let him give his cheek to the smiter, and be filled with insults. For the Lord will not cast off for ever, but, though he cause grief, he will have compassion, according to the abundance of his steadfast love.


MEDITATION

What can the third fall of Jesus under the Cross say to us? We have considered the fall of man in general, and the falling of many Christians away from Christ and into a godless secularism. Should we not also think of how much Christ suffers in his own Church? How often is the holy sacrament of his Presence abused, how often must he enter empty and evil hearts! How often do we celebrate only ourselves, without even realizing that he is there! How often is his Word twisted and misused! What little faith is present behind so many theories, so many empty words! How much filth there is in the Church, and even among those who, in the priesthood, ought to belong entirely to him! How much pride, how much self-complacency! What little respect we pay to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, where he waits for us, ready to raise us up whenever we fall! All this is present in his Passion. His betrayal by his disciples, their unworthy reception of his Body and Blood, is certainly the greatest suffering endured by the Redeemer; it pierces his heart. We can only call to him from the depths of our hearts: Kyrie eleison – Lord, save us (cf. Mt 8: 25).

PRAYER

Lord, your Church often seems like a boat about to sink, a boat taking in water on every side. In your field we see more weeds than wheat. The soiled garments and face of your Church throw us into confusion. Yet it is we ourselves who have soiled them! It is we who betray you time and time again, after all our lofty words and grand gestures. Have mercy on your Church; within her too, Adam continues to fall. When we fall, we drag you down to earth, and Satan laughs, for he hopes that you will not be able to rise from that fall; he hopes that being dragged down in the fall of your Church, you will remain prostrate and overpowered. But you will rise again. You stood up, you arose and you can also raise us up. Save and sanctify your Church. Save and sanctify us all.

 

All:

Pater noster, qui es in cælis:
sanctificetur nomen tuum;
adveniat regnum tuum;
fiat voluntas tua, sicut in cælo, et in terra.
Panem nostrum cotidianum da nobis hodie;
et dimitte nobis debita nostra,
sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris;
et ne nos inducas in tentationem;
sed libera nos a malo.

Eia mater, fons amoris,
me sentire vim doloris
fac, ut tecum lugeam.

* * * * *

And this was before he was elected pontiff! Imagine this year!


77 posted on 02/28/2006 5:05:59 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: old and tired
I think there is an awareness of this coming back and I think we can thank Dr. Atkins.

Thanks but I give more credit to those catholics who seek to unite themselves to the suffering Savior.

78 posted on 02/28/2006 5:09:44 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
I know there's a lot of great stuff here during Lent - last year I helped out with the Roman station church threads. But this year I really need to do this. I've become a horrible procrastinator and the internet has played no small role in this. I need to spend more time on my schoolwork. I need to spend more time doing many other things besides surfing the internet.

Also sometimes coming on here is not fun but ends up upsetting me. I either get overly anxious and frustrated about things going on in the world that I can do nothing about myself (Iran, terrorism, the border, etc) or I become uncharitable in heart, if not in posting, towards certain other FReepers.

I will miss this place terribly, but it will be good to take a break for awhile and use the time to focus on other things. I'll be back at Easter, hopefully much more temperant in my internet usage by then!
79 posted on 02/28/2006 6:10:22 PM PST by sassbox
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To: bert

I've heard that the capibara is also OK to eat on Lenten Fridays. It is basically a giant hamster but it spends most of its time in the waters of the Amazon river.


80 posted on 02/28/2006 6:13:32 PM PST by sassbox
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