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To: RaceBannon
You're doing it again. "Most Catholics" never read this, "Most Catholics" never read that. The Bible is read at every Mass, and Catholics are supposed to read it on their own.

I do not believe that people who read the Bible and take it on it's face value will end up Catholic.

You don't think, in the entire history of Christianity, there hasn't been one single person who read the Bible on face value, and ended up Catholic?

What about the people who take "This is my Body" on face value? What makes your personal interpretation of that verse better than theirs?

Some Protestants have a certain interpretation of Scripture. Then something happens, and their personal interpretation of Scripture changes. Now their personal interpretation is more or less Catholic! By what authority do you say that your personal interpretation is right, and theirs is wrong?

My dear friend in Christ, you've proven my point. As a Catholic, I can say that smart people, who read the Bible faithfully and prayerfully, can still make mistakes. I do it, Popes can do it, Saints certainly did it.

But Sola Scriptura demands the claim: "No, the correct interpretation (my interpretation) is obviously the right one. Anyone who disagrees with me is clearly either ignorant or evil."
197 posted on 06/25/2005 7:35:49 PM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: Lilllabettt
You're doing it again. "Most Catholics" never read this, "Most Catholics" never read that. The Bible is read at every Mass, and Catholics are supposed to read it on their own.

Now, you KNOW that isn't totally true! The RCC FORBADE people to own their own Bible for centries and even killed people who printed the Bible in English! And, Killed people who they found with those copies.

Nowadays, also, I heard it from the kids I gew up with, RCC people were taught in the 60's and 70's that the RCC practitioner CANNOT understand the Scriptures without a Priest explaining it to them!

I was CLEARLY told by those kids that they didnt read their Bibles and their parents didnt read their Bibles because there was no way they would understand them unless there was a Priest to explain it to them!

So, my comment is based on personal experience, and many Freepers here who are ex-Catholic have testified to having been taught those things themself, so, I am not wrong on that point.

You don't think, in the entire history of Christianity, there hasn't been one single person who read the Bible on face value, and ended up Catholic?

Nope. Not by just trusting what it says, no Maam, I dont. :)

What about the people who take "This is my Body" on face value? What makes your personal interpretation of that verse better than theirs?

I dont have a personal interpretation, I just go by what it says, and listen to those who tell me to remember CONTEXT/CONTEXT/CONTEXT when reading.

Jesus used the words, surely, but He never told His disciples to physically EAT HIM. In fact, when He said it at the Last Supper, were they eating Jesus or the Passover meal?

(Mat 26:26 KJV) And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

(Mat 26:27 KJV) And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

(Mat 26:28 KJV) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

(Mat 26:29 KJV) But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

So, since Jesus actually used these words at the dinner table, and th disciples were physically eating then, did He mean His body or was it a Spiritual Message He referred to?

After all, if He meant HIS PHYSICAL BODY AND BLOOD, how did He make it out of the room alive? The RCC church really needs to re-think that doctrine of Transubstantiation.

Some Protestants have a certain interpretation of Scripture. Then something happens, and their personal interpretation of Scripture changes. Now their personal interpretation is more or less Catholic! By what authority do you say that your personal interpretation is right, and theirs is wrong?

There are a lot of people who start off wrong and get right, and some that start right and go wrong. I would need a better example to answer your question, in general, I would say the Protestant Church is becoming more apostate every day, and their doctrinal changes are for the worse.

And no, you didn't make any ppoint at all because you didn't address anything I posted which showed the Bible says someting totally different than what RCC doctrine says. You didn't refute anything.

198 posted on 06/25/2005 7:49:06 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Lilllabettt
But Sola Scriptura demands the claim: "No, the correct interpretation (my interpretation) is obviously the right one. Anyone who disagrees with me is clearly either ignorant or evil."

And NO, Sola Scripture never was even close to that.

Sola Scripture means that ONLY THE BIBLE is the final word on matters of faith and right and wrong, not the words of men or the traditions of men.

That is why it is said, ONLY THE BIBLE has that authority.

I posted the OFFICIAL RCC doctrine on that already on this thread, where the RCC denies that the Bible has that authority alone, and that traditions are EQUAL to the Bible.

199 posted on 06/25/2005 7:51:33 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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