Fox: Witnesses Support Kobe Accuser

NewsMax ^ | August 3. 2003 | NewsMax

[Recourse]

Sunday, August 3, 2003 1:00 AM EST Fox: Witnesses Support Kobe Accuser

Two hotel workers will give supporting testimony to the the claims of a 19-year-old Colorado woman that she was raped by Kobe Bryant.

Fox News' Rita Cosby reported on her weekend "Big Story" program Saurday night that two hotel employees of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera have given Eagle County, Colorado police investigators accounts that are consistent with claims made by her accuser.

One hotel employee reportedly saw the girl moments after she left Bryant's room and describer her as "shocked and upset."

Shortly after, the girl was driven home by a hotel bellman.

Cosby reports that the bellman said the girl told him she was "forced to have sex with Kobe Bryant."

The bellman also noted that the woman's clothing had been torn.

[FITZ]

Yours too? I'm beginning to think everybody's mother who was raised in the pre-Vatican II Church had a martyr complex.

I don't think so. My Catholic women relatives never gave any hints of being martyrs ---if anything they were tough and stoic --those zero tolerance types. My pre-Vatican II mother had a "count your blessings not your hardships" kind of mentality which made her pleasant to be around ---but that was as close to being a martyr as she got.

[FITZ]

some people with fundamental religious views, take the "until death do you part" quite seriously

I still think those people do it for their own reasons --- the Christian religions tend to stress monogamy as very crucial which rules out accepting adultery. If anything Judaism, Christianity --and Catholicism gave women certain rights that didn't exist in other societies.

[TheSpottedOwl]

I should clarify "martyrdom". Lol, if I can try and describe her thought process. She read "Lives of the Saints" constantly, she really approved of people who died for their faith. My mom was really into off the wall stuff. Completely out of the mainstream. My dad picked me up with my oldest baby, and started looking for a divorce attorney. My mother talked me into going back when my now ex husband shoved a note through the mailslot saying he was sorry for hitting me. Actually my mom had some problems; I really believe that she thought that God would punish her for taking us in. Weird. Most of the family isn't like that, but they lived across the country and didn't know what was going on. They know now.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Yours too? I'm beginning to think everybody's mother who was raised in the pre-Vatican II Church had a martyr complex. My mother (God rest her) thrived on people feeling sorry for her, and she really did turn into a pitiful person in her later years. I could barely stand to be around her.

Well that too, however my mom loved the stories of saints who died for the Church. Those kinds of martyrs, the kind who whipped themselves with branches for penance(kinky?). Growing up, the bedtime stories were off the wall. My mom degenerated into paranoia, Alzheimer's and dementia. She's on meds, so I can hang out with her once a week, but it's creepy seeing her so placid and nice, and not knowing who anyone is. Hey at least I can let the kids and the grandbaby around her now.

I have always thought, as I grew older, that since my mother was always into everyone's business being the moral arbitrator, having a divorced daughter was unthinkable. Oh well it still happened, better late then never :)

[Chantal]

History repeats itself. When boys watch their dad cheat on their mom, they think it's the norm and they will eventually
cheat on their wives. JFK's dad had a mistress, his wife knew about it....the three sons cheated on their wives.
All in the family.

[TheSpottedOwl]

There was a story about Rose Kennedy. Joe was in the habit of giving her pieces of jewelry every time he had an affair. One day she summoned a plumber and instructed him to fashion a trap deep inside the toilet, made out of wire mesh. Joe, as usual came home with a large diamond cocktail ring. Rose walked into the bathroom, dropped the ring, and flushed. Later, she again summoned the plumber and retreived the ring :)

She did leave him early in her marriage, but you know how it went back then. Wouldn't look good for an aspiring politician and sucessful bootlegger to have a runaway wife.

[aristeides]

The bodyguards have noticeably not been indicted. I suspect they are cooperating with the prosecution.

[aristeides]

It's one thing to discuss rumors, it's another to talk as if you are certain they're true, when you have no reasonable basis for this.

[aristeides]

I don't even remember hearing the name of Kobe Bryant before the story of the rape broke. I don't watch television.

[aristeides]

Me, I'm just watching this phenomenon unfold.

You've admitted you now regard it as "very likely" that Bryant raped the victim. But you seem to have zero interest in seeing justice done.

[sinkspur]

But you seem to have zero interest in seeing justice done.

I live in Texas. Outta my control.

[aristeides]

Nope, they were saying in the news he had her in his bedroom a whole different date from another previous visit to that city. What the cable news channel sources were we won't find out until court.

Nobody else seems to have seen this report. Where and when did you see this?

[aristeides]

Those studies are the result of Bill Clinton's escapades. Academic researchers wanted to validate him. What better way to advance their careers, get more research grants, and have a chance for more sex? The studies happen to be convenient now for Kobe Bryant's defenders.

[aristeides]

If you are so intolerant of marital infidelity, why are you so tolerant of rape?

[aristeides]

I'm Irish Catholic myself. Lest people think your attitude is widespread among us, let me assure everyone that most Irish Catholics are not very tolerant of rape.

[aristeides]

When parents often treat their own children noticeably differently, I don't see how they can reasonably be expected to treat stepchildren identically.

[cynwoody]

If she reported these facts to her bellman friend in a calm or normal fashion, there will be no exception to the hearsay rule.

I wouldn't read the rule quite so simplisticly. Here's some local bar association thinking on the topic of exceptions to the hearsay rule:

An excited utterance is an exception to the hearsay rule. Excited utterances are those statements made about some startling event while the declarant is still under the stress of the startling event. The rationale underlying this exception to the hearsay rule is that a person who is under the stress of some startling event is not likely to lie about it, and that the statement is therefore adequately trustworthy.

A spontaneous present sense impression is an exception to the hearsay rule. A spontaneous present sense impression is defined as a statement describing or explaining an event made while the declarant is actually perceiving the event. The belief underlying this exception to the hearsay rules is that a declarant who is speaking spontaneously and contemporaneously about an event would not have the time to engage in the calculation necessary to lie.

A statement of the declarant's then-existing mental or physical condition is also an exception to the hearsay rule. The rationale here is that the contemporaneous nature of the statement ("My leg hurts" is admissible; "My leg hurt yesterday" is not) is a guarantee of trustworthiness.

Her statement to the bellhop is highly significant because of its timing and its consistency with her appearance and demeanor, etc. At the time in question, she had not had twelve hours to perfect a story, nor had her mother yet had the possible opportunity to turn shame into retroactively withdrawn consent. So, it should be up to the jury to decide if (a) the bellhop is being truthful, and (b) if so, whether the Eagle Cutie was already speaking with forked tongue.

Kobe should not count on this being excluded. Perhaps he might better check on the availability of basketball courts in Colorado joints.

[cynwoody]

Losers are going to be the city it happened in, the hotel, Kobe, his accuser, the DA and perhaps also in a big way the current version of that Shield law if it is used to prevent a fair trial.

I certainly agree with you about the shield law. Being mainly a product of feminazism, it deserves to lose!

But the hotel? Hasn't it received a ton of free nation wide advertising? It's not as if a guest got raped by a street criminal let in by negligent security. That would be bad publicity for the hotel. But how can being known as the place where the rich and famous stay be anything but good for the hotel?

[MEG33]

I believe you misread my post.Rita's report was disturbing.It indicated rape had occurred.That's disturbing.I hate it for the girl,for all concerned.The excited utterance rule seems to apply here.

[Brandon]

First of all, I find it in extremely bad taste to mention Bob Hope and his wife on this thread. Since they have been mentioned several times so far, does it occur to you that Mrs. Hope honored her marriage vows, as society meant them back in those days?

I also think it is in poor taste to mention Mrs. Hope. It could also be that she loved him enough to forgive him his faults -- certainly we all have faults. In any case, it isn't any of our business. The Clintons had that much right: Adultery is a private matter for the two spouses to deal with. The only reason it is of legitimate public interest in this situation is that it demonstrates that Kobe Bryant has already lied about matters pertaining directly to the criminal charges brought against him.