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NPS-Friend or Foe?
self ^ | June 3, 2003 | Sheila Davis

Posted on 06/03/2003 10:59:40 AM PDT by countrydummy

National Park Service ...Friend or Foe?

What an interesting question! We have all been reared to believe that the NPS was so good for the preservation and conservation of lands for the protection of future generations. Well, many have screamed out against the NPS since around the early 70’s, but their voices fell on deaf ears or those ears that did not have the time or inclination to listen. And of course the lack of media coverage to bring the pro’s and con’s to the awareness level of the public commons....those of us that live on the land and really care about it! The media has done a very poor job in bringing up all the issues of having a national park vs. not having one!

There are many unhappy “once upon a time” landowners, but to make matters even worse, their are many unhappy “public land users“, that are fast realizing that the NPS is not their friends either! These folks thought that the original landowners were being paid “fair-market value”, some even think they were paid millions and got rich off of their lands to the NPS.....WRONG! Those that advocated land acquisition of the private land owners for increased public access that the NPS swore they would provide, are fast finding out that the NPS is now in the business of doing all they can to decrease any sign of human disturbance within the boundaries of the lands “””they own””! Dang, and here I kept thinking that “public lands” are owned by me, you and them!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!! The “DO NOT ENTER” signs are everywhere, or NO motorized vehicles, NO motorized boats, etc. and so on! Heck, even No horses!!!!!!!

Now take the Pilgrim family into the case scenario! They live in a small community in Alaska, just outside the boundaries of a small community that was established over a hundred years ago.....this is a family that chooses to live on “their own” as it were, without aide and assistance but just hard working and down to earth living! They rely on each other and the small community of which they are a part of. Yet now they are in the fine hairs of the wondrous NPS! Even though they are living in an area that President Carter declared a National Monument, Alaska took the most important intuitive of securing State’s Rights over Big Government by passing “The Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act (ANILCA) which provides the following:

“ guaranteed Alaskans the right to hunt, fish, recreate and even operate mines in the park. Although the ability to create new roads or trails in the park was eliminated or severely curtailed, the right to use valid existing routes was pledged. RS2477 routes were specifically singled out for protection.”

Now the NPS is threatening this family and for that matter the local community for doing under law what they are allowed to do! The NPS is at this time attacking a very religious, caring and loving family with the threats of armed Rangers, helicopters and the such, trying to intimidate this family and scare them into selling their property! So much for the so called “Willing-Seller Concept”!!!!!!

We along the New River, just outside of the city limits of Hinton, WV have and continue to be treated the same way.....armed guards at the so called public meetings, and diverse to out and out lies from the NPS and their supportive agencies!

Yet, I do not fear for my life , but these folks have been threatened! For example from an email I received from a local of the area!

“They will be accompanied by a NPS 'Special Events Team' of 6-8 armed Rangers, plus local Rangers. This is ridiculous. NPS has painted the family as being dangerous and is escalating this thing into something bizarre.”

What is this family (and community guilty of???????) Protecting themselves, their land, their heritages, their way of life and what they choose to leave their children and their children’s children! As well the right to manage their roadways that allow access to their homes!

I think it is time, especially considering that the National Park Service alone,( and this is just the NPS...not counting the other federal land agencies) has put all American taxpayers into debt for over $6 Billion for maintenance fees! In other words the NPS can’t and won’t effectively take care of what “”THEY”” own! They are using illegal tactics such as, as in direct violation of, USCS 42, 1982 and 1983 where the threat of “Color of Law, Intimidation of Law, etc, violates the very civil rights of landowner ship!

So, is the NPS a friend or a foe? You decide!

Sheila Davis Sisters of the River PO Box 202 Jumping Branch, WV 25969 (304) 466-3676 country357@stargate.net http://www.newriverfriends.org

ccs:"mailto:gale_norton@ios.doi.gov" Phone: 1-202-208-7351 Fax: 1-202-208-6956

Craig Manson craig_manson@ios.doi.gov

Nick Joe Rahall E-mail Address(es): nrahall@mail.house.gov

Congressman Sam Graves-Missouri "mailto:sam.graves@mail.house.gov". Governor Murkowski Fax: (907) 465-3532

Congressman Richard Pombo "mailto:rpombo@mail.house.gov"

President George W. Bush: "mailto:president@whitehouse.gov"

For further information and background please see the following sites:

Rick Kenyon Wrangell St. Elias News (WSEN) McCarthy, Alaska Phone: 907-554-4454 (4 hours behind EST; 1 hour behind California time) Fax: 907-554-4494 Website: "http://mccarthy-kennicott.com" Email: "mailto:WSEN@starband.net"

http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/

http://www.landrights.org/


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To: countrydummy
NPS - Friend or Foe?


NPS, along with a host of other dubious organizations, several funded by the US taxpayers, is a financial supporter of the IUCN:

International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN). http://www.discerningtoday.org/iucn.htm

Financial Supporters of the IUCN:
http://www.iucn.org/themes/wcpa/wpc2003/english/who/partners.htm

Not to mention, it is listed as a PARTNER with UN/UNESCO on the World Heritage Site (UN) webpage of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park http://www.unesco.org/whc/sites/259.htm

See more here; this is a MUST READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/917046/posts
U.N. influence in Alabama {"Biosphere" reserves}
WorldNetDaily / Commentary ^ | Posted: May 24, 2003 | Henry Lamb
Posted on 05/24/2003 7:36 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park


Yesterday's People: going, going, gone.
(Wildlands Project becomes a reality in North Carolina)
By Henry Lamb
from http://eco.freedom.org/el/20010802/wnc.shtml
additional link at http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/august_2001/wildlands_project_becomes_a_reality_in_north_carolina.htm



http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org


What's It Really About?

The revealing story of a rancher
and the national debt
Investigative Documentary By David Morgan, The Asheville Tribune
http://www.ashevilletribune.com/hage1.htm


I'm sure you know all of this, countrydummy; I've been following your story for awhile; but maybe we have a new FReeper out there who is reading this for the first time.



41 posted on 06/07/2003 5:50:01 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: Movemout
"Watersheds have contributed to a new notion of a Viewshed."

Watersheds - That's what brought me to this site. I just read an old (June 1) article in the Washington Post. I was looking to see if it had been posted. I think it is getting ready to expire for those who don't subscribe. So here it is:

Buffers' Impact Feared
Fairfax Plan Aimed At Stream Protection

"Harold Steyer says the stream buffers could make it more difficult for him to sell his Herndon property. (Dayna Smith -- The Washington Post)"

By David Cho
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 1, 2003; Page C01

"The gurgling stream that runs through the forest behind Harold Steyer's house in Herndon would seem to be an attractive selling point. But under an ordinance proposed for Fairfax County, that little brook could become a drain on the eight-acre property's value.

The proposal, which supervisors are scheduled to discuss tomorrow, would expand the number of streambeds in Fairfax protected from construction of something as small as a shed to as big as a waterfront mansion. Currently, about 20,000 county landowners are prohibited from building within 100 feet of streams and rivers on their property; the new language would add 18,000, officials said.

Overall, the number of square miles set aside as "resource protection areas" would increase from about 55 to 73 -- about 18 percent of all the land in Fairfax....."

"...They [Fairfax] are going to be the model that other jurisdictions will have to meet,...."


More on 'Landgrab by Watershed' here:
HEADS UP, RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, VA, YOU MAY BE ABOUT TO BECOME A WILDLANDS PROJECT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/621506/posts

42 posted on 06/07/2003 6:00:15 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: madfly; Movemout
madfly: FYI

I meant to include you on #42



URL for Washington article above (Buffers' Impact Feared
Fairfax Plan Aimed At Stream Protection) is http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63333-2003May31.html
43 posted on 06/07/2003 6:04:59 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: Ethan_Allen; Free the USA; Carry_Okie; backhoe; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Thanks. I've been having a lot of problems lately, just saw Sheila's ping.
44 posted on 06/07/2003 6:11:40 PM PDT by madfly (Taking some time off soon.)
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping
bttt
45 posted on 06/07/2003 6:29:56 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: Ethan_Allen
Yes Ethan, I do know about the stuff you mentioned above, but I had missed some of the articles. I am working part time in a country store on the River, and folks everyday come in and are complaining about all that the NPS is doing in the area...now these are not locals....these are folks that come from all over the state and out of state, to "recreate" on the lands.....but everywhere they are seeing their favorite fishing and hunting areas being further restricted in its traditional use....from camping to Day Use only, is one of the pet peeves. I tell them don't just say "It is not right", but get on the phone and write letters to their Senators and Congressman demanding that the NPS and other fed landgrabbers be stopped! NO MORE LAND GRABS! Take care of what you have, and quit with all the dang restrictions!

And yes, I hope other freepers catch on and the new ones as well! Thanks for the articles!

Sheila
46 posted on 06/07/2003 7:26:34 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
One big gripe I have with the NPS is that they are leaders in unilateral civilian disarmament. No guns are allowed in their parks, despite the fact that even they will admit that many are a haven for the criminal element. I remember the two women kidnapped, raped and killed in Yosemite a few years ago, for instance. Their insistance on law abiding citizens not having firearms in the parks makes this more likely. Their ban is total, even CCW holders in a state that a park is in are banned.

Just another socialist jackbooted three letter agency if you ask me.

47 posted on 06/07/2003 8:07:14 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: madfly
"(Taking some time off soon.) I've been having a lot of problems lately"

I sure don't like the sound of those two statements!!! I'm gonna miss all the pings n pongs and especially the little angelic fly, so you hurry up an solve those problems and git back here on the double!!! You'll be mist!!!

48 posted on 06/07/2003 8:51:30 PM PDT by SierraWasp (It's not SARS, it's SAMS!!! (Severe Acute Media Syndrome))
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To: countrydummy
I'll be danged!!!

You be's a girl type person!!! These gender-free screen names are the pitts!

Good, accurate article... Keep up the fight! Illegitimi Non-Carborundum!!! (I've quit sayin "You Go Girl" an trite stuff like that)(grin)

49 posted on 06/07/2003 8:57:25 PM PDT by SierraWasp (It's not SARS, it's SAMS!!! (Severe Acute Media Syndrome))
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To: Jack Black
yes Sir, I sure do agree with all you state in your post!
50 posted on 06/07/2003 10:04:25 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: SierraWasp
Hahahahaha, and here I thought all along that you knew that! hehehehehehehhehe Thanks for the compliment!
51 posted on 06/07/2003 10:05:35 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
These folks are pacifists, very akin to the Mennonite faith. They are a law-abiding, God-fearing family of 17 that dresses and talks differently -- outspoken in their faith in God and opposition to evil -- but are loving, caring people who have been a real blessing to their neighbors.

The fed-gov bully boys are in for a rude awakening if they think they will have an easy job harassing some pacifists without a lot of not-so-passive folks coming to their aid. That is just the way it is here.

Hard to believe even the insignificant, low-level bureaucratic fed-dupes here would be so stupid. Alaska is definitely the wrong place for the federal farce to perpetrate one of those "object lessons" they think will intimidate the masses.

52 posted on 06/08/2003 9:57:12 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: Jack Black
"One big gripe I have with the NPS is that they are leaders in unilateral civilian disarmament. No guns are allowed in their parks, despite the fact that even they will admit that many are a haven for the criminal element. I remember the two women kidnapped, raped and killed in Yosemite a few years ago, for instance. Their insistance on law abiding citizens not having firearms in the parks makes this more likely. Their ban is total, even CCW holders in a state that a park is in are banned.

Just another socialist jackbooted three letter agency if you ask me."


National Parks are a 'federal area'. Anyone who has a social security number is domiciled in a 'federal area', namely, the District of Columbia. Another MUST READ for every American; see how our illustrious leaders 'uphold the law' they created by pure CUNNING and FRAUD, but NOT by the Constitution.


White Paper on State Citizenship
T. Collins -- 10/04/94
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/law/white-paper.htm


"...The government recognizes two distinct classes of citizens: a state Citizen and a federal citizen. Each has different rights and responsibilities. State Citizens created the states who created the federal government who created federal citizens. Most people are born state Citizens and become federal citizens without their knowledge sometime after birth..."

"....To show how the government uses common English words in such a way that they have meanings that are different from what you might think, I will show how the word 'state' is redefined. In the IRS code, it says you are subject to the income tax if you live in: one of the states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Quam, or the northern Marranara Islands. From this definition it sounds as if I need to pay income tax. But, if you look at how the IRS defines the word state you probably will be confused. In the definition of the word state, it uses the word state. If you check this definition in years back you will see it has been modified several times. Before Alaska was admitted into the Union, it was in this list of states. After it became one of the states of the Union, it was not listed in the IRS definition of a state. The same thing happened to Hawaii. What does this mean? The definition that is used in the IRS code for the word state, is not a state like Texas but a state like Quam, that is a federal territory. The Federal Zone is a book listed in the other source's section of this paper describes this and other words that have specific legal definitions that are, sometimes, the opposite of the common definition...."

"If you have a Social Security number, you are a Federal Citizen...."

"The "several states" were severed from each other. The law treats the several states as independent countries. The Buck Act in 1940 created federal areas inside the states. If you live in a federal area, you are subject to federal territorial laws and the municipal laws of the District of Columbia...." (which doesn't allow guns.)

"...Your ZIP Code determines which ZIP Code region you live in. ZIP Code regions are federal areas. The IRS has adopted the ZIP Code regions as IRS regions. If you accept mail that has a ZIP Code on it, you are in a federal territory and thus subject to the IRS and all other municipal laws of the District of Columbia....

I find the most offensive trick to get me to lose my sovereignty was that if I do not protest using the only legal tender in America, the Federal Reserve Notes (FRN), also know as U.S. Dollars, I am receiving a benefit. This is a complicated trick that I will explain in detail later....

Of course there are many other benefits that many people use that the sovereigns cannot. Among these are Social Security checks, welfare checks, food stamps, federally insured bank accounts, Medicaid, Medicare, and sending children to publicly funded schools...."


You need to read the whole thing. Share it with your family, friends, and acquaintances.


"I remember the two women kidnapped, raped and killed in Yosemite a few years..."


***LIFE,**** LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
The above three are enshrined in the preamble to the American Constitution, written in the year 1772, by Thomas Jefferson. When a government cannot or will not protect its citizens, and then denies them the right to defend their own lives, it has denied the very first tenet in its own reason for existence and therefore, has no more reason for being. It is time, with God's help, for the citizens of this nation to peacefully take our nation back.


One good place to start: Barefootsworld:

"....One who reads and studies closely the full explanation in the text will discover that each clause or word in the Constitution was carefully designed to protect the individual -- his life, his liberty and his property. By a few, the erroneous belief has been spread that the Constitution is a barrier in the way of American progress. Actually the Constitution is a coat of mail which man himself has fashioned for his own protection, and which he has changed from time to time that the protection might be the more complete -- protection against the abuse of power by his servants in the legislature or Congress, whom he may dismiss at election time or by impeachment, and against whose invasion of his rights he can appeal to the courts; against his executive officers, whom he may dismiss by impeachment or ballot; against his judges, whom he may remove for lack of "good behavior." His government is not his master, as the king or dictator has always been, but his servant."

"In questions of power then," wrote Jefferson, "let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

The Founders of the Republic feared parties of the people as much as they did a royal government. "Whenever there is an interest and power to do wrong," wrote Madison to Jefferson in 1788, "wrong will generally be done, and not less readily by a powerful and interested party than by a powerful and interested prince."

The notes which are to follow will disclose the truth of that statement. See Also "Undermining the Constitution - A History of Lawless Government"...." above excerpts from The Constitution For The United States
Its Sources and Its Application
http://www.barefootsworld.net/constit1.html



**** ". . . that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God." -- Thomas Jefferson's Last Letter, June 24, 1826"


Another good place:
Vine and Fig Tree
http://members.aol.com/VFTfiles/Directory/table.htm#6-6
53 posted on 06/08/2003 10:57:52 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: eskimo
LOL

After I posted I read your post. Only a few minutes before I was reading a webpage on Alaska's constitution. Here, in your honor:



Preamble to Alaska's Constitution
http://www.alaska.net/~lleman/Constitution.html


Article 1 of Alaska's Constitution
http://www.alaska.net/~lleman/ArtI.html


BTW, I believe it WAS you'alls two guys Murkowski and Young who gave us CARA. Maybe you'all can get them to take it back.
54 posted on 06/08/2003 11:03:57 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: Ethan_Allen
BTW, I believe it WAS you'alls two guys Murkowski and Young who gave us CARA. Maybe you'all can get them to take it back.

We realize we have our share of political parasites who seem to believe their portrayal of exploiting the federal farce is more advantageous to their political careers than preserving our Constitutional rights. Our parasites are, however, very cognizant of their tenuous positions.

55 posted on 06/08/2003 12:02:42 PM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo
You have a great sense of humor about you. That's a gift that could go far in diffusing these little tyrants.
56 posted on 06/08/2003 12:13:39 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: eskimo
I understand how you feel! They sure did not expect the resistence they found here! Mainly from a bunch of women! hahahha We continue to give them pure hell, and help all others as best we can to fight them back as well!

57 posted on 06/08/2003 8:27:30 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
Have you taken this up with Jay Rockefeller?
58 posted on 06/09/2003 5:46:08 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: Ethan_Allen
yes, without much help!
59 posted on 06/09/2003 2:44:23 PM PDT by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
I'm not surprised. More later.
60 posted on 06/09/2003 5:32:41 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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