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Culture of at-home guns gauged a possible threat
THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR ^

Posted on 03/11/2003 4:29:55 AM PST by FSPress

BAGHDAD, Iraq - With a gun culture that closely resembles that of the United States, Iraq is one of the most heavily armed societies in the world.

The country's tradition of self-reliance and hard desert and mountain living puts it on a gun-per-person level rivaling other clan systems in Yemen or Somalia.

As U.S. military strategists look ahead to a possible war in Iraq - and a postwar period of working with the Iraqi people to establish more representative rule - firearms loom large.

What Iraqis do with those weapons if the U.S. launches an invasion will determine success or failure for Washington. Most war plans, including a United Nations postwar contingency plan leaked in New York last week, assume a swift fall of the regime, and little Iraqi resistance.

But even as Iraq Sunday continued destroying its al-Samoud 2 missiles - bringing the total to 46, more than one-third of Iraq's total al-Samoud force - Iraqis on the home front are stockpiling bullets, dusting off corroded old guns and receiving freshly minted assault rifles from the ruling Baath Party.

"We tell the Americans: We are prepared for them," says Abdulamir Nasir al Abbudi, a dapper, older Iraqi in a jacket and tie with a white scarf. "My grandfather has a gun from 1895, and I'm going to use it to kill American soldiers. I'm keeping this gun in my hand. I also have a pistol and a Russian Kalashnikov - all Iraqis have these."

Iraqis warn that they are far from convinced that U.S. troops will be seen as liberators and say instead that they will resist any American occupation.

Sandbagged positions have been popping up in downtown neighborhoods, and Western witnesses have seen trenches filled with oil on the northern edge of the city that could be set afire to block visibility and confuse oncoming forces.

Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein dismissed the significance of giving up the al-Samoud missile (the name means "steadfastness") when he spoke to senior commanders late last week and made clear that Iraq is not wanting for arms.

"You are the Samoud missiles," Saddam said, pointing at the officers. "This is the spirit of the Iraqis, their determination to defend their country."

On Thursday, Saddam praised the "determination" of Iraqis to defend themselves, "even if the fighting was confined to one with rifle and hand grenade," according to the Iraqi New Agency.

Just days before, infantry battalion and regiment commanders told Saddam that two months of ammunition had been stored, that drills for "defensive battle and urban combat had been executed" and that soldiers were dug in to minimize casualties from air bombardment.

One officer reportedly vowed to fight with stones if ammo ran out. Saddam reassured him that "arms are plenty."

Although France, Russia, and Germany are redoubling diplomatic efforts to stop the U.S. and Britain from invading, and Friday's report card from U.N. weapons chiefs Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei might be described as a passing grade, few here think war can be averted.

Civilian U.N. workers began pulling out of the demilitarized zone between Kuwait and Iraq Sunday, just two days after U.S. Marines in civilian clothes were found cutting 25-yard gaps in the border fence that could accommodate armored columns invading Iraq.

The sense of impending conflict means business is picking up at the capital's 43 gun shops, even though they are only licensed to sell hunting guns or pistols. Customers are stockpiling bullets or shotgun cartridges, says Wiham Ghazi of the "Free Bird" gun shop, whose 12-gauge shotguns and .22-caliber rifles hang from gun racks on the wall of his shop, emanating a faint scent of gun oil.

"It's our culture that people keep guns in their houses - it's inherited from our grandfathers," says Ghazi, sorting through an array of pistol bullets. Among the ammunition selection is a 12.7 mm bullet for a heavy machine gun, with the red-painted tip of a tracer that burns bright as it flies.

"People are buying these kinds of guns just to protect themselves, in case of conflict," Ghazi says, adding that one customer Saturday morning came in looking for bullets for his father's .45-caliber pistol, which had been "put aside for years."

To explain their bond with weapons, Iraqis are fond of the modernized version of one traditional saying: "Give everything to your friend, except your car, your wife and your gun."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; gunownership; gunrights; guns; iraq; iraqreform; war; warlist

1 posted on 03/11/2003 4:29:55 AM PST by FSPress
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To: FSPress
Same as Afganistan- big deal.
2 posted on 03/11/2003 4:32:47 AM PST by observer5
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To: FSPress
I thought that Iraqis had no money! We have to distribute food from 55000 sites, yet they are going to waltz into their local gun shop?
3 posted on 03/11/2003 4:38:24 AM PST by maica (against all tyranny of the pink)
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To: FSPress
I'm sure the liberals will use this as an argument for banning guns here in the US.
4 posted on 03/11/2003 4:57:22 AM PST by Lil'freeper (I know it makes no sense...but we're talking democrats here.)
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To: Lil'freeper
To The Gun-grabbers: Do we trust our government and/or does our government trust us, the electorate armed? Is not Senator Fineswine the gun-grabbing moral equivalent of SoDamn Insane? He interferes with the Iraqis' God Given Rights for his own nefarious purposes. Why do the gun-grabbers and why do Ms. Brady's distemperate termagants??
5 posted on 03/11/2003 5:04:55 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: FSPress
EXACTLY the point of guns at home -- to repel INVADERS!!!!
6 posted on 03/11/2003 5:33:14 AM PST by Temple Drake (sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof)
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To: *war_list; *bang_list
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7 posted on 03/11/2003 5:59:21 AM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: FSPress
"With a gun culture that closely resembles that of the United States.."

Well, I guess even a country like Iraq has SOME good points!!

On the other hand, the "Christian Science Monitor" is a liberal bleeding heart rag.
8 posted on 03/11/2003 6:02:13 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: observer5
No, I really don't get this or believe it. They're claiming the country is fully armed with ammunition and they've never tried to overthrow Saddam? Please, as we just saw his soldiers are just waiting to surrender.
FYI, in Afghanistan the Northern Alliance was obviously armed, but weapons with munitions were pretty sporadic or non existent elsewhere...except in the hands of the Taliban.
9 posted on 03/11/2003 6:03:02 AM PST by Katya
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To: FSPress
It really makes you wonder how Saddam managed to stay in power so long with an armed population. He is pretty crafty, along with ruthless.

It drives me nuts when lefties say "Why don't we just assassinate Hussein?" as if it is as easily said as done.
10 posted on 03/11/2003 6:07:03 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: ZULU
With a gun culture that closely resembles that of the United States.....

They always try to associate the "gun culture" with the worst possible elements. After 911 it was the terrorists, now our "culture" is like our enemy in Iraq.

Before all this international strife, they only had domestic demons to associate us with, such as wife beating trailer park rednecks and criminals.

11 posted on 03/11/2003 6:08:27 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: maica; Katya
So much of this doesn't make sense. I remember all the hoopla about The Feared Republican Guard with Desert Storm and The Mother of All Battles that turned into The Mother of All Retreats. I discount this as the same thing. It's the Iraqi PR machine masquerading as a western news source.
12 posted on 03/11/2003 6:18:51 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FSPress
They will fight until they know Saddam is dead, then they will rejoice.

After we destroy their communications, we should announce that Saddam is dead whether he is or not, and I suspect many of these militia will lose the "will" to fight.

13 posted on 03/11/2003 6:21:45 AM PST by ez (Iraq has the Drone, but We have the Crone...(Helen Thomas))
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To: FSPress
The Iraqi populace is not armed. Has anyone EVER seen them fire into the air like the Palestinians?

No? End of story.

Stay safe; stay armed,
Eaker

14 posted on 03/11/2003 6:23:22 AM PST by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: FourPeas
. It's the Iraqi PR machine masquerading as a western news source. ..... So True!


I forgot to use the sarcasm tag on my previous post.

Not even the Generals who sit around that big conference table with him have bullets in their guns.
15 posted on 03/11/2003 7:02:40 AM PST by maica (against all tyranny of the pink)
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To: Eaker
Every video I've seen of Iraqui ivilians with AKs firing showed them manually cocking after each shot, indicating they were safely firing blanks for the staged photo-opportunity. This is just the lamestream media shilling for the Iraquis mainly because it supports their anti-rights agenda here in smearing our "gun culture".
16 posted on 03/11/2003 9:51:32 AM PST by LibTeeth
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To: FSPress
Anyone have the link to interviews with Iraqis who've been saying, very quietly and in private only, that they are buying guns in preparation for the chaos that will follow the fall of the government, and for defense against the government forces, as the central government disintigrates?

17 posted on 03/11/2003 2:58:00 PM PST by jdege
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To: FSPress
If a heavily armed citizenry chooses not to overthrow a dictator, are we liberating anybody or does that justification go down the memory hole?
18 posted on 03/11/2003 3:09:52 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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