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Do as we say not as we do! Sierra Club Hipocracy! (my title)
Personal Email | 1/13/2003 | Freepyone

Posted on 01/13/2003 8:29:19 AM PST by freepyone

You can't ask for a better admission of hipocracy than what we've received from the wackos at the Sierra Club. The email was sent to their enviromental911 address as a polical statement against their employees owning multiple homes in the states. Please read the email chain below (emails have been put in chronological order for ease of reading):

From: M&T Karcher [karchers@thekarchergroup.com]
To:environmental911@sierraclub.org
Subject: Homes
01/08/2003 03:52 PM

I read an article that said some of the people who work for your organization have more thean one home. A second home can waste more than twelve times the energy of one SUV. Can you confirm that no officers or corporate employees have second homes? How can we stop this destruction of the enviornment?


-----Original Message-----
From: Information@sierraclub.org
[mailto:Information@sierraclub.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 4:02 PM
To: karchers@thekarchergroup.com
Subject: Homes

Hello Mr. and Mrs. Karcher,

Thank you for contacting the Sierra Club. I'm sorry, but I cannot confirm or deny if any of our officers own 2 (or more) homes. I've never heard this, myself. Does one question whether a schoolteacher has children of their own? Or if an Avon distributor uses the products? Was Bill Clinton thrown out of office for infidelity? No, though we all agree his behavior out of office was wrong. I think you see the irony here - personal choices and professional commitment sometimes mesh, but usually they do not! The Sierra Club is the most influential non-profit organization in the country and we pride ourselves behind our methodology. Out successes and accomplishment are many.

Comparing SUV pollution to that of a home is not quite valid - SUV's emit toxic CO2 into the air as well as 100 other chemicals, and have been a catalyst to an already dangerous level of ozone depletion, as well as burning away finite resources of gasoline at an alarming rate. I've received many emails from family's who strive to conserve inside and out of their homes reducing their overall consumption, recycling, utilizing alternative energy sources (ie, energy efficient fireplaces, solar energy panels, etc), and using hybrid vehicles for running about town.

For your information, here at the San Francisco headquarters, most employees conserve as best they can. We have a bike room to encourage biking to work, a commuter voucher program to encourage the use of public transportation, recycling bins for glass, plastic, cans, paper (mixed and white), cardboard, batteries, and office supplies. . . the list goes on. We are people just like you, who do our best to promote the Sierra Club mission statement in our personal lives, but what we do in our personal lives is what works for us and should not be infringed upon.

Happy New Year,

Stasea-Noelle
Sierra Club Member Services


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enviromentalism; sierraclub
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1 posted on 01/13/2003 8:29:19 AM PST by freepyone
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To: freepyone
We are people just like you, who do our best to promote the Sierra Club mission statement in our personal lives, but what we do in our personal lives is what works for us and should not be infringed upon.

I can even respond to this without laughing

2 posted on 01/13/2003 8:35:37 AM PST by grb
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Good grief! Stacey Hyphen did not even address the part of second-home-ownership that necessitates the felling of more trees for the lumber. Oh, I forgot -- the Sierra Club/"Green" position on THAT is: "now that I've got lumber for MY home(s), thou shalt cut down no tree, anywhere, anytime". BTW, it's "hypocrisy", but I don't want to appear pedantic, so I won't mention it.
3 posted on 01/13/2003 8:41:46 AM PST by Migraine
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To: Migraine
Just remember:

What's the difference between a conservationalist and a developer? The conservationalist already has his home in the country.

4 posted on 01/13/2003 8:46:47 AM PST by Fudd
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To: Migraine
Hypocracy -- a government of hypocrits. Hmmmm. Pretty much fits, actually.
5 posted on 01/13/2003 8:47:01 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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To: Lee'sGhost
Hippocracy, a government of hippos?

6 posted on 01/13/2003 8:49:46 AM PST by wai-ming
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To: freepyone
Why else would you join the Sierra Club than to try to persevre that natural solitude and peacefulness of the place where you built your vacation get away? We don't want cars, kids, dogs, and other houses any where near us and rely heavily on the Sierra Club to help keep it this way.

It's a lot like Redford several years back protesting a mining operation in Utah (?). It would have destroyed a pristine wildernes and spoiled the environment. Of course, it also could have been seen from his out-of-the-way palace and the Sierra Club helped him keep it that way.

7 posted on 01/13/2003 8:50:01 AM PST by Tacis
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I suppose they actually believe that electricity they use to heat their second homes is generated by "free" solar energy and not by coal burning power plants.
8 posted on 01/13/2003 8:51:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-T.J.)
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To: Migraine
Stasea-Noelle

Just the name alone adds to my hatred for the Sierra Club. Blech...who makes up names like that?

9 posted on 01/13/2003 8:54:43 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Lee'sGhost
Wouldn't that be a Government of Horses?
10 posted on 01/13/2003 8:59:29 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (We've got Armadillos in our trousers. It's really quite frightening.)
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To: freepyone
Is anyone at all surprised by this?
11 posted on 01/13/2003 9:00:25 AM PST by El Sordo (Just a hobo among the trains of thought)
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To: EggsAckley
Stasea-Noelle

With a name like that he/she probably also works the AOL helpdesk.

12 posted on 01/13/2003 9:03:43 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus))
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To: freepyone

Good Grief!

13 posted on 01/13/2003 9:04:01 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Giant Clearance Sale: Used "Tag Lines". Buy One, Get One Free! Inquire Within)
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To: EggsAckley
Stasea-Noelle

I demand to see her birth certificate, but not a photocopy - I don't want to destroy any more trees than necessary.

14 posted on 01/13/2003 9:04:06 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: freepyone
We are people just like you, who do our best to promote the Sierra Club mission statement in our personal lives, but what we do in our personal lives is what works for us and should not be infringed upon.

I couldn't have said it better myself!!! I am going to quote Ms. Hyphenated in my next correspondence with any newspaper or other media outlet when they are trying to make a fallacious charge against SUVs.

We are going to have to make up a new word for this extrapolation of hypocrisy!

15 posted on 01/13/2003 9:06:36 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: freepyone
Defund the left.
16 posted on 01/13/2003 9:07:44 AM PST by CPT Clay
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To: freepyone
"...what we do in our personal lives is what works for us and should not be infringed upon."

But isn't that exactly what they're critizing the public for? They scream that what works for us in our personal lives promotes ecological destruction, and (if you believe Norman Lear)even promotes terrorism! Do the Hollywood types who pass judgement on us poor groundlings, people like Mr. Lear, Arianna Huffington, Tony Danza, Barbra Streisand, et al., and even these hypocrites in the Sierra Club think that their personal cars, their chartered jets, their collection of classic but fuel-ineffecient toys, etc. are somehow exempt from the laws of physics? I heard of having brass, but these people make the bells of St. Peter's basilica look like they're made out of tin foil...

17 posted on 01/13/2003 9:11:20 AM PST by Exeter
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To: freepyone
David Horowitz show last night was about how Sierra Club, ELF, EarthFIRST! et al had blocked all logging in Pac/NW area, and now bugs are destroying the forests, and making a huge fire hazard for alot of people. None of them would go on air to defend their position. The hyprocasy of these people make me sick. They have become politicized to the point that no one is really in charge, and their leadership is so emasculated that these organizations seem to live and breathe on their own. IMO, word needs to get out that donations to the Sierra Club are donations to the most radical and illogical forms of environmentalism.
18 posted on 01/13/2003 9:12:19 AM PST by Space Wrangler
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To: freepyone
SUV's emit toxic CO2 into the air

CO2 is toxic now? Yeah it just seems to kill all those plants doesn't it.

19 posted on 01/13/2003 9:15:29 AM PST by Godel
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To: freepyone
We need to do more of this. Maybe we can find out where they live and take pictures of their homes and vehicles and publish them here on our website. This is great!
20 posted on 01/13/2003 9:19:27 AM PST by tom paine 2
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