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Blogs 1, Reinhardt 0 (9th Circuit on 2nd Amendment)
Tech Central Station ^ | 12-12-02 | Pejman Yousefzadeh

Posted on 12/13/2002 5:41:17 AM PST by SJackson

Blogs 1, Reinhardt 0

By Pejman Yousefzadeh 12/12/2002

TCS

This past week, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals—which enjoys the dubious reputation of having had more of its decisions reversed by the United States Supreme Court than any other circuit—unburdened itself of a 69-page magnum opus written by Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt, arguing that Second Amendment rights are collective and not individual in nature. As such, the Ninth Circuit set up a conflict with the Fifth Circuit, which concluded in United States v. Emerson that the Second Amendment does confer an individual right to bear arms.

With its decision, the Ninth Circuit makes it likely that the United States Supreme Court will seek to resolve the conflict in circuits. Here is hoping that the High Court takes a more intellectually honest and rigorous look at the question. If it does, it should conclude that the Fifth Circuit, not the Ninth, got the question right.

Judge Reinhardt relies in large part on the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller to make his argument that Second Amendment rights are collective. Although he concedes that the decision in Miller was "cryptic," Judge Reinhardt cites the following passage to indicate that "what Miller does strongly imply, however, is that the Supreme Court rejects the traditional individual rights view:

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.

The problem with Judge Reinhardt's analysis is that the Miller Court's discussion clearly centered on whether a particular shotgun with specific dimensions (a sawed-off shotgun) had a relationship to the preservation of a well-regulated militia, with the answer being no. This is an exceedingly narrow ruling, and did not constitute a declaration by the Court that Second Amendment rights are collective.

Judge Reinhardt then goes on to cite footnote 8 in Lewis v. United States, which states that "[T]he Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have 'some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia.'"

However, Judge Reinhardt completely misses the historical meaning of the term "militia," as law professor and Second Amendment expert Eugene Volokh points out in a passage that is worth quoting at length:

The Ninth Circuit repeatedly stresses that the right relates to "a military force established and controlled by a government entity," "not some amorphous body of the people as a whole" (p. 32). But nowhere does the Ninth Circuit acknowledge that this militia was essentially the adult white male able-bodied citizenry. Not a National Guard, not a small group of people chosen by the state, but pretty much everyone who mattered at the time (yes, I know it was limited to white males, but that was the 1790s for you), subject only to an 18-to-45 age restriction (which I suspect covered the great majority of people). Much more consistent with a right of the people—you and me—than if "militia" simply meant a National Guard.

You'd think that in a discussion of what "militia" means in the Second Amendment, the Ninth Circuit would quote the Supreme Court's statement as to what this means: "The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense." United States v. Miller (1939).

You'd think that the Ninth Circuit would quote the Militia Act of 1792 (enacted by Congress three years after Congress proposed the Second Amendment), which defined "militia" to include "each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective states, resident therein, who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years [subject to some narrow exceptions]"—and curiously the definition remains pretty much the same today.

You'd think that it would quote the four state ratifying conventions' calls for a right to bear arms, which all speak of a "well regulated Militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms" or "capable of bearing arms."

But you'd be mistaken in so thinking, because the Ninth Court never quotes these sources.

The failure to quote Volokh's apt sources does not speak well to the scholarship or the intellectual rigor of the opinion. And that is another problem with Judge Reinhardt's opinion—it gets a number of quotations and historical arguments cited in support of the opinion blatantly wrong.

For example, in arguing that some of the founders "explicitly disparaged the idea of creating an individual right to personal arms," Judge Reinhardt cites precisely one quote from the Founders to make his argument:

For instance, in a highly influential treatise, John Adams ridiculed the concept of such a right, asserting that the general availability of arms would "demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government."

But as blogger and TCS contributor Stuart Buck points out, Judge Reinhardt did not provide the full quote from Adams, which is as follows:

To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.

Buck then goes on to explain that when Adams' words are properly considered in their full context, their meaning is decidedly different than what Judge Reinhardt maintains:

In other words, Adams was not arguing against an individual right to have arms. In fact, as the highlighted text above shows, he supported allowing private citizens, at their individual discretion, to use arms in "private self-defense." What he was writing about here was the necessity of legal control over the militia—in other words, he didn't want to have a bunch of vigilantes running around purporting to be a military.

This is not the only instance in which Judge Reinhardt gets the facts wrong. Blogger Clayton Cramer notices yet another mistake by Judge Reinhardt—this one having to do with representations made in footnote 37 of the Ninth Circuit's opinion. The footnote in Judge Reinhardt's opinion reads as follows:

. . . both George Washington and Henry Knox, who was to become the nation's first Secretary of War in the Washington Administration, urged the creation of a standing national military force, to no avail. . . .Washington in particular felt that the need was acute; in 1783 he wrote a document entitled Sentiments On A Peace Establishment, in which he recommended establishing a national militia that would exist along with those maintained by the individual states. Subsequently, he wrote to John Adams in the wake of Shays's Rebellion that because of the lack of a unified national military force, "[w]e are fast verging to anarchy and confusion!"

Unfortunately, it appears that Judge Reinhardt misrepresented Washington's opinion on the issue. After quoting Washington's letter in full, Cramer points out the following:

Now, Washington certainly mentions the Shays's Rebellion in this letter—after discussing "anarchy and confusion!" But there isn't any discussion of "because of the lack of a unified national military force." One might at least as fairly assume that Washington was referring to the problems of finances and the previous inability of Congress to vote for a "paper emission." Washington was definitely a supporter of a standing army, having found militias to be a "weak reed" upon which to rely. But this letter is quite a bit more ambiguous than either Bellesiles's representation of it, or Reinhardt's representation of Bellesiles.

Thus, once again, it appears that Judge Reinhardt did not allow the historical facts so important to a correct ruling on the Second Amendment to get in the way of his zeal to argue that the Second Amendment confers a collective, not an individual right.

In writing about the ruling, Professor Volokh stated that he found it "disappointing." Considering how many aspects of Second Amendment law and scholarship Judge Reinhardt got wrong, characterizing the opinion as "disappointing" would perhaps constitute a monumental understatement.


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1 posted on 12/13/2002 5:41:17 AM PST by SJackson
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2 posted on 12/13/2002 5:46:41 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
So we can't own certain types of guns because they aren't suitable for national defense and we can't own other types of weapons because they are?
3 posted on 12/13/2002 5:57:29 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: SJackson
It always troubled me, the language referring to a "Well-regulated Militia" followed by "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Two altogether separate things are being considered here, and could only be joined if ALL citizens were to be, at one time or another, members of the militia. Since the emphasis is on "Well-regulated" this would seem to exclude clandestinely formed and outlaw militias. Perhaps, the interpretation could be made that service in an acceptable "Well-regulated Militia" could be a requisite to ownership and use of firearms.
4 posted on 12/13/2002 6:00:27 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Don't try to make much sense of Reinhardt's writings. The High Court will chop this up like so much cabbage.
5 posted on 12/13/2002 6:01:51 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Natioanl Firearms of 1934 addressed this issue. Items deemed 'not suitable' included all MG's, sawed-offs, AOW's and silencers. Of course this was the excuse to have these types of weapons brought under control.
Now, of course, every grunt is issued a select-fire weapon, sawed-offs, and silencer-equipped MG's are used by some special units.

So if they were not 'suitible' then because they were not issued weapons, but are ISSUED now, doesn't that change the position?
Hopefully the Supremes will take this one. At least on the differences in the Circuit courts would be eliminated.

The Ninth Circuit Court needs to become the Nixed Circuit Court.

6 posted on 12/13/2002 6:08:36 AM PST by Pistolshot
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To: SJackson
This Ninth Circut ruling is another nail in the gun control crowds collective coffin. The Supreme Court will have to overturn this ruling, and that will be the end of them, as an organized force.

Molon labe
7 posted on 12/13/2002 6:20:01 AM PST by Knuckrider
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To: SJackson
Mark.
8 posted on 12/13/2002 6:26:27 AM PST by copycat
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To: Knuckrider
I want to see Scalia do a jig over the rotting corpse that is this decision from the Ninth Circuit.

Perhaps after looking closely at it, the High Court will decide that such a travesty cannot stand.

To show you how stupid Reinhardt was, not only did he take the Framers out of context; he also used Bellesiles extensively.

Stupid is as stupid does....

Be Seeing You,

Chris

9 posted on 12/13/2002 6:32:48 AM PST by section9
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To: alloysteel
It always troubled me, the language referring to a "Well-regulated Militia" followed by "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

Maybe this can help: The Language of the Second Amendment

10 posted on 12/13/2002 6:37:58 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: asformeandformyhouse
Very interesting piece -- thanks for the link.
11 posted on 12/13/2002 6:48:27 AM PST by Cincinatus
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To: SJackson
Judge Reinhardt then goes on to cite footnote 8 in Lewis v. United States, which states that "[T]he Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have 'some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia.'"

Methinks the Judge knoweth not where this line of reasoning might end. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that a citizen militia might have need for recourse to such offensive items as machine guns, rotary gatling guns, artillery pieces, tanks, mortars, explosives, and other and sundry armaments. And also rockets for attachment to private planes, perhaps depth charges, (the better to outfit your man-o'-war), and anti-personnel mines, grenades, bazookas, and other useful items.

I think a complete list of armaments needed by a citizen militia may be made by looking over the lists of armaments used by ordinary citizens who have banded together to defend their country in various wars. E.g. the War for Independence, the Russian and Yugoslav Partisans in WWII, the Katanga and Biafra Wars, etc. If these folks had been limited to pistols and rifles, they'd have been swept away in an instant.

Our War for Independence did not start over a Birtish resolve to confiscate long arms at Concord, but the artillery pieces the Colonials were storing there.

Judge Reinhardt has now opened the way for us to again own all these things legally in our private collections as part of the unorganized milita.

12 posted on 12/13/2002 7:02:31 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Knuckrider
This Ninth Circut ruling is another nail in the gun control crowds collective coffin. The Supreme Court will have to overturn this ruling, and that will be the end of them, as an organized force.

Liberals are famous for the unintended results of their actions. Of course, being unable to understand the consequences of your actions is a sign of immaturity and/or stupidity. --In this case, probably both.

13 posted on 12/13/2002 7:12:59 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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To: alloysteel
It's quite simple.
The two part amendment is worded for the protection of the state and the people. The first part protects the state from the federal government and the second part protects the people from both the state and the federal government.
No citizen has to have anything to do with a militia in order to have their rights.
14 posted on 12/13/2002 7:26:34 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: *bang_list
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15 posted on 12/13/2002 7:46:12 AM PST by DaveCooper
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To: alloysteel
Two altogether separate things are being considered here, and could only be joined if ALL citizens were to be, at one time or another, members of the militia. Since the emphasis is on "Well-regulated" this would seem to exclude clandestinely formed and outlaw militias.

I don't see any such conflict, aside from females being limited to membership in the "organized" militia. I'm pretty sure that if women were willing to take up arms as part of the unorganized militia, they would get no argument.

U.S. Code, Title 10

Sec. 311. - Militia: composition and classes

(a)

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

The classes of the militia are - (1)

the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)

the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia

16 posted on 12/13/2002 7:47:26 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: section9
Another good reason to be pleased that Bork was not allowed on the Supreme Court.
17 posted on 12/13/2002 7:52:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: alloysteel
It always troubled me, the language referring to a "Well-regulated Militia" followed by "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

The first clause is just some fluff setting out one reason why the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, but it in no way modifies the second clause. Think of it this way. Rewrite the sentence as, "Thomas Jefferson has a nice dog, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The first clause in no way modifies the meaning of the second clause.

18 posted on 12/13/2002 7:53:56 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The Constitution body also speaks to a private right to bearing arms -- big arms.

Article I, Section 8, paragraph 11 of the U.S. Constitution authorizes Congress to "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water." A "reprisal" means an action taken in return for some injury. A reprisal could be a seizing of property or guilty persons in retaliation for an attack and injury. It could include force used against the perpetrators for the redress of grievances. A reprisal could even involve killing ...

"Marque" is related to "marching" and means crossing or marching across a border in order to do a reprisal. So a Letter of Marque and Reprisal would authorize a private person, not in the U.S. armed forces, to conduct reprisal operations outside the borders of the U.S.A. Such Letters are grantable not just by the U.S. Constitution, but also by international law, which is why it was able to be included in the Constitution. The Letters are grantable whenever the citizens or subjects of one country are injured by those in another country and justice is denied by the government of that country, ...

The Founders of the U.S. Constitution included Marque and Reprisal in addition to authorizing Congress to declare war, so that in some cases, the U.S. government would not have to engage the military and have a costly war. The risk would then be concentrated on those who chose to engage in the reprisal. This empowers private citizens to protect themselves and other Americans.

Source: The Progress Report, Editorial, "Letters of Marque and Reprisal" by Fred E. Foldvary, Senior Editor, (c) 2002
19 posted on 12/13/2002 8:01:58 AM PST by bvw
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To: SJackson
And the guy is on the bench for life?!
I'd hate to root for the Grim Reaper, but the guy should be recalled and won't be.
And if he used Bellesiles's work...what a dolt!
20 posted on 12/13/2002 8:07:10 AM PST by philman_36
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