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WHERE DID THE CONSTITUTION GO? Here are some answers. (IMPORTANT!)
The Aware Group ^ | 22 Sep 02 | Howard Freeman

Posted on 09/22/2002 7:21:03 AM PDT by 11B3

When I beat the IRS, I used Supreme Court decisions. If I had tried to use these in court, I would have been convicted.

I was involved with a patriot group and I studied supreme Court cases. I concluded that the supreme Court had declared that I was not a person required to file an income tax--that the tax was an excise tax on privileges granted by government. So I quit filing and paying income taxes, it was not long before they came down on me with a heavy hand. They issued a notice of deficiency, which had such a fantastic sum on it that the biggest temptation was to go in with their letter and say, "Where in the world did you ever get that figure?" They claimed I owed them some $60,000. But even if I had been paying taxes, I never had that much money, so how could I have owed them that much?

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This is an excerpted article from the Aware Group. The article is a long read - and very well worth the time. Personally, I've been curious why it is that the Clintons and others have not been punished for their obvious crimes against the nation. We, as conservative Americans tend to place the Constitution at the top of the Federal Government. After all, that is the cage that was supposedly built for it by the founders. When the Constitution is not followed - often tread upon blatantly - we get angry. How can something we hold so dear be treated like this? Well, after reading this article you will understand far more about this. There is another article at this source that also should be read - about the bankruptcy of The United States back in the 1930s. That is when our Constitution was changed, and we all became virtual slaves. Thanks again go to the Democrats for that little maneuver - FDR in particular. Our nation was sold out by the commies back then, just as the DemonRats are trying to do today.
1 posted on 09/22/2002 7:21:03 AM PDT by 11B3
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To: 11B3
If you want more to read on Admiralty Law, the War Powers Act, and the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1933, please consult http://www.barefootsworld.net.

It's an outstanding resource.
2 posted on 09/22/2002 7:49:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: 11B3
Calling these groups "patriots" is a bit of a stretch. Kooks is more like it.
3 posted on 09/22/2002 8:31:03 AM PDT by Mr_Peter
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To: 11B3
We, as conservative Americans tend to place the Constitution at the top of the Federal Government. After all, that is the cage that was supposedly built for it by the founders.

Excellent analogy. I am going to start using it.

4 posted on 09/22/2002 8:31:58 AM PDT by dpa5923
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To: Mr_Peter
I'd like to take them seriously, because it sounds interesting on its face. But when they start getting into these dogmas such as "The Constitution only recognizes laws that involve an injured party, and that don't compel performance" or some such, when anyone the least bit conversant with American history knows that to be utterly false, I just can't give them any credibility.
5 posted on 09/22/2002 8:54:20 AM PDT by inquest
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To: 11B3
Where did the Constitution Go?

Since the actual document was removed from display on July 5th, 2001, I have become more curious about the abuses to it. There is a short explanation on a gov site that says it has been removed for "display area remodeling purposes". hmm

6 posted on 09/22/2002 9:03:33 AM PDT by madfly
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To: 11B3
>> (quoting from the link)There were still some pieces of the puzzle missing.<<

But then, he found out about the yellow fringe on the flag!.

That explained everything.

7 posted on 09/22/2002 9:07:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Free the USA; AAABEST; A. Pole; Agrarian; Alamo-Girl; Anthem; asneditor; ATOMIC_PUNK; Aurelius; ...
ping
8 posted on 09/22/2002 9:19:06 AM PDT by madfly
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To: 11B3
Interesting. I am no lawyer, and logic-chopping is not a fun game.

I think somebody who used these 'techniques' might find himself in the Greybar Hotel.

--Boris

9 posted on 09/22/2002 10:02:56 AM PDT by boris
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To: Carry_Okie
How many times do we have to see it to believe it.

We are a nation of laws and not men. But the law is what ever the judges say it is.

Lewis Carrol in his play "Alice in Wonderland", and George Orwell in his book 1984 make the same point. Words mean what ever the people in power say they mean. Thus in the book 1984 Orwell had a nations useing the word WAR to mean PEACE adn PEACE to mean WAR. Remember Freedom is Slavery And Slavery is Freedom. The question always comes down to who holds the power. Not what words mean to you or me.

In every nation created in the history of this earth the laws mean what ever those who rule say they mean.Thus the words "Congress shall make no LAW" means "Congress shall make YES LAW" if that is what those inpower want it to mean. "YES we shall have no religion" is what they say it means.

It is senseless to argue over what the constitution means. Since 1804 it has meant what ever the Supreme Court Justices said it means. It should not take a real bright person to figure out that if the constitution is to mean what you want it to mean, YOUY MUST get JUDGES appointed who think it means the same thing YOU do.

The left has understood that for 140 years. Most of the right has yet to figure it out.

Think about it in a real case. If the members of the Florida Supreme court has been on the Federal Supreme Court who would be president today? You know the answer. Now tell me which provision in the constituion you used to determine your answer.

People look at the document and exclaim, See it says X. That is not worth anything. If every citizen of the USA says it says X and a majority of the 9 justices on the supreme court said is says Y. The constituion says Y.

The only freedom we have is the freedom to influence who gets to be a the judges. Since judges retire and die. The contest can never be won. Every liberal knows that. Few conservatives do.

If we elect the proper Senate and the proper President, we shall get Judges that rule as we want. If the Senate and the President go the other way it does not matter what the words in the constitution say. In both situations the words in the constitution will mean whatever the Justices say they mean.


10 posted on 09/22/2002 10:47:30 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: 11B3
I just read the opinion written by Justice Brandeis and all it said was,

"There is no federal general common law. This “general law” disregarded practically all local and state law. There is no clause in the constitution giving federal courts this power. If a federal court hears a case dealing with purely state issues, it must use applicable state law in making its decision. It cannot arbitrarily apply any law it chooses."

This is a good decision. It affirms the 10th amendment.

It says that "unwritten" common or general law cannot be used by federal courts in making their decisions.

Federal courts "must use applicable state law in making its decision."

I do not know about you but I do not want to deal with "unwritten" common or general law when I am in court.

That would be the equivalent of being struck by a bolt of lightning on a clear day.

If you take the time to read the decision of Erie RR v Tompkins, you will understand how the use of unwritten common or general law was arbitrary, illogical, and ultimately capricious in its application.

This doctrine used by the federal courts for 100 years was a use of power that was never conferred on the federal courts by the Constitution. This decision actually took a lot of power out of the federal judiciary.

I do not understand the leap that some people are making that we are now under the jurisdiction of Merchant, Commercial, or Admirality law when we are in federal court and not under the jurisdicition enumerated in the Constitution in matters of federal jurisdiction.

11 posted on 09/22/2002 11:14:15 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: 11B3
BOOKbump
12 posted on 09/22/2002 3:22:40 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: 11B3
This article is so full of whole is ain;t funny. It reads as such, "There is a conspiracy...but you'll just have to trus me on that." Having delt with law, and am currently dealing with law, I can openly say that all laws are published for the masses to read. All cases are decided on open law, bnot some backroom discussion that happened 75 years ago. I know a number of judges and lawyers, and none of them have had such conversations.
13 posted on 09/22/2002 3:35:59 PM PDT by Scruffy
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To: madfly
I've read that since 1938 American courts have been run by Admirality law.

Under the Constitution we are considered innocent until proven guilty. Under Admirality law we are guilty until proven otherwise.

I've also read that since Roosevelt every president has enacted the Emergency Powers Act , giving the executive branch free reign over the other branches.

Our Constitution , the greatest document ever written protecting basic human rights stands in the way of world rule.

Our government working for the elites who want world rule are persuing that end. So our Constitution must be replaced by the UN's constitution.

Lawyers who belong to the international BAR ( Englands lawyer association ) are given the title of Esquire and work for the courts , not the defendants. They are making our Constitution look out dated and useless , so that the UN's constitution will be more easily accepted.

Get America out of the UN and the UN out of America.

14 posted on 09/22/2002 6:18:34 PM PDT by Eustace
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To: 11B3
To learn even more check out www.bbcoa.com
15 posted on 09/22/2002 7:49:42 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: Common Tator
Amen, you done said it all, Tator.
16 posted on 09/22/2002 8:19:01 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: 11B3
Total unmitigated BS. The common law is alive and well.
17 posted on 09/23/2002 6:15:38 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: tahiti
I do not know about you but I do not want to deal with "unwritten" common or general law when I am in court.

Probably because you have no idea what the common law is. The constitution itself is a common law document.

18 posted on 09/23/2002 6:18:22 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: Carry_Okie
ping #15
19 posted on 09/23/2002 6:42:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Common Tator
Actually, it's Lewis Carrol's "Through the Looking Glass" which is not a play. The Humpty-Dumpty scene has the relevant dialogue.

Humpty-Dumpty

20 posted on 09/23/2002 6:47:02 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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