Misunderstood by DeMar (French origin? explaining his surrender),
these "cards" are not the land, but the Covenant with G d.
Posted on 09/14/2002 4:13:03 AM PDT by Seti 1
"If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right. You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, Know when to walk away and know when to run."
Kenny Rogers' "The Gambler" has sold millions of copies since its 1978 release and spawned five made-for-TV movies. But the song's appeal is in its no-nonsense philosophy. When there is no way to win, it's time to walk away from the game.
The game is over for Israel. Let me explain.
In Tim LaHaye's pretribulational rapture novel, "The Remnant," the Jews are in for a hellacious future. Two-thirds of the Jews living in Israel will be slaughtered. LaHaye is not alone in holding this noxious position. John Hagee, a popular prophecy writer, states in a recent WorldNetDaily column:
Jerusalem today is a detonating device with no fail-safe system. It's a loaded pistol at an international poker dispute with all players demanding control. It's a driverless coach careening toward a blind curve – the collision of which will birth World War III. You see, there's nothing anyone can do about WWIII. According to Hagee, it's a prophetic inevitability. It's this fatalistic futuristic perspective that has kept the heads of Jews on the chopping block for 2,000 years since there's still one more holocaust that Jews will have to go through.
Even so, evangelicals are spending millions of dollars to help Jews return to Israel. In so doing, says the Rev. James M. Hutchens, president of Israel/USA, "we believe we are fulfilling a divine calling ... to assist the Jewish people in their physical return and restoration of the land of Israel." Like Hagee and LaHaye, Hutchens maintains that "There will be no peace until the Messiah comes."
The views of these men are alarming to some Jewish leaders, as they should be. Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, asks, "To what extent will a theological view that calls for Armageddon in the Middle East lead [evangelicals] to support policies that may move in that direction, rather than toward stability and peaceful coexistence?"
The most probable scenario is that prophetic futurists will sit back and do nothing as they see Israel go up in smoke. What can they do? The Bible predicts it. "There will be no peace until the Messiah comes."
Given this inevitable scenario, what should Jews do? Leave Israel. Under the New Covenant, your land is meaningless. It has no more theological importance than Rhode Island. Under LaHaye, Hagee, and Hutchen's prophetic model, odds are you'll be dead if you stay. If not you, then certainly someone in your family will die. But if you leave, the Muslims won't have a common enemy to unify them. Let them destroy one another. Remember, Iran's war with Iraq and Iraq's invasion of Kuwait? There is no unity among these Muslim nations with Israel gone.
Then what? Come to America! Maybe we can convince Congress and the President to carve out a parcel of land in one of our National Monuments for you to settle. America is the safest place on earth for you. Once the Muslims kill themselves off, if you still think your barren strip of land is important, then you can go back.
Take a lesson from Kenny. If you're gonna play the game, ya gotta learn to play it right. You got to know when to hold on to the land and when to run. It's time to run.
Misunderstood by DeMar (French origin? explaining his surrender),
these "cards" are not the land, but the Covenant with G d.
A novelist?
Now that's a real expert, huh?
For WHAT!... pray tell...
An extreme left-wing group.
Jesus taught that the kingdom was coming soon.
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
If the kingdom has not already come there are people alive today who are over 2000 years old.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
If the kingdom has not come yet then we have been commanded to seek that which cannot be found.
Luke 12:31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.
If the kingdom is going to be estalished in physical Israel then how can it come without observation?
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Jesus stated plainly that he would not have an earthly kingdom.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Jesus said the kingdom would come with power in their lifetime.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Jesus said to the apostles that they would recieve power when the Holy Ghost came upon them.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
The Holy Ghost fell upon them on Pentecost when the church was established.
Acts 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
After Pentecost, Christians were described as being in the kingdom.
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.
Even John, who wrote the book of Revelation, described himself as already being in the kingdom of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
When Jesus comes back the kingdom will not be established, but rather it will be the end of everything.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Therefore pre-millenialism can not be true. The kingdom of God is already here, regardless of what goes on in the middle east.
August 6, 2002 - 11 a.m. EDT
Secretary Rumsfeld Town Hall Meeting
"My feeling about the so-called occupied territories are that there was a war, Israel urged neighboring countries not to get involved in it once it started, they all jumped in, and they lost a lost of real estate to Israel because Israel prevailed in that conflict. In the intervening period, they've made some settlements in various parts of the so-called occupied area, which was the result of a war, which they won.
They have offered up -- successive prime ministers have offered up various portions of that so-called occupied territory, the West Bank, and at no point has it been agreed upon by the other side.
Their fathers should've told them: when one goes Left too far, one leaves Judaism behind.
This political movement should be renamed Reform Left.
And as someone who grew up in RI, I can tell you any place has more importance, theological or otherwise, than RI. ;)
Reform Judaism is nothing but an attempt to sanctify liberal politics. Whatever is current on the agenda of the Democratic Party is the subject of the sermon for that week at a Reform Temple.
What people should understand is that Reform Judaism is not Judaism.
You are right!
>Given this inevitable scenario, what should Jews do? Leave Israel. ...
>Then what? Come to America!
That would seriously provoke the Most High G~d! The author needs to read the Bible instead of the fiction of the Pre-Tribbers who should have left already. Prophecy shows Israel will outlast ALL nations, including America. Pres. Bush is leading the country into a trap.
I cut my teeth in computer graphics on the venerable Tektronix 4051, which had a primitive tape drive and unique commands..."PLOT-50". Other individuals not so familiar with its "operating system" required a mnemonic, so I wrote:
"You gotta know when to old em,
Know when to bold em,
Know when to hit the break key,
Know when to run;
"You never save your program
Before you find the tape file...
There'll be time enough for saving
When the file is found".
You sorta had to be there.
--Boris
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