The Muslim Units of the Waffen SS

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[Austin Willard Wright]

Does this include "the Muslims" in Turkey or "the Muslims" in Tunisia, or "the Muslims" in Afganistan who celebrated the fall of the taliban in Afghanistan, "the Muslims" who are protesting the rule of Mullahs (and risking their lives in the process in Iran), "the Muslims who are Kurds fighting Iraqi rule? By embracing the indiscriminate collective guilt theory, you are also embracing the theory which has done the most harm in the twentieth century.

Much of modern Islam is screwed up. Trying to reverse this process will never be accomplished, however, by feel good bashing of every single Muslim. Enjoy yourself while you again. Because the left will soon (and already is) using the same simplistic collective guilt theory to attack all religion.

BTW, do you also believe "the Catholics" are all pedophiles?

[Stultis]

Good points. We (advocates of free and ordered civic society) have many allies in the Muslim World. The precept to "know your enemy" cuts both ways.

[ZULU]

Islam is NOT a religion. Its a cult.

Its founder and his teachings encourage, approve of, and even demand violence against "unbelievers", whoever thay might be.

While certain parts of Islamic teachings are positive, the belief system as a whole is violent, vicious, intolerant, bigoted and theocratic. In short, everything western civilzation has fought so long to overcome in itself.

No sane person can comapare the mad rantings of Mohammad, and his vicious doctines and life model to the teachings of ANYOTHER belief system, from Animism to Zoroastrianism.

As soon as the Islamic population bomb explodes in the U.S. and other western nations, they will lobby, demonstrate, protest, fight and kill, to impose Sharia Law on everyone in those nations.

[Non-Sequitur]

You could just as easily done a post on Dutch Units of the SS or Belgian Units of the SS or Ukranian or Italian or French Units of the SS.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Dutch units? Far too nuanced for the collectivist Muslim bashers I'm afraid.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

[2banana]

You would have a point if this was a "Croatian" Waffen SS unit. It was specifically designed to be a muslim unit because the Germans knew how ruthless they would be...

Also, I do not know of any SS unit that was designed to be specifically a "Southern Baptist" unit (or put whatever denomination you want). All the rest were of national origin.

[Non-Sequitur]

Well then Himmler really blew it, didn't he, since the division was a total flop as a combat unit. Maybe it was recruited less for their ruthlessness and more for their PR value since Turkey was neutral and Great Britain had large Muslim populations in their empire? Just like the PR reasons why there were Dutch Units in the SS and Belgian Units in the SS and Ukranian and Italian and French Units of the SS.

[TomSmedley]

The secularist humanists are using simplistic bashing of all Muslims only strengthen their attempt to bash all people of religious faith. Have fun while you can but you will be next.

We've had the privilege, in our lifetime, of watching the fall of one world-wide antichristian system of thought (communism). Islam seems to be on the chopping block at the moment -- but secular humanism is also on God's short list, I believe. Our challenge is to build a consistent and credible set of Christian answers, in order to create the mental infrastructure for a new social order. The bishop of Hippo did exactly this in 435, when the entire world as he knew it was coming apart. Augustine's City of God defined the terms of social interaction for the next thousand years, and laid the foundations for the political liberty we've enjoyed in the west.

[Lent]

You could just as easily done a post on Dutch Units of the SS or Belgian Units of the SS or Ukranian or Italian or French Units of the SS.

And you could just as easily do your own post. Since when are you in the business of micro-managing his posting?

[Non-Sequitur]

Nest time maybe he should just up and say that he only wants people who agree with him to respond. Absent that kind of warning I'm assuming it's open season.

[Seydlitz]

Actually, the Handschar division was not a total flop. Against partisans, it was a reasonably effective unit, but it never rose to the level of its sister division, Prinz Eugen. When the Germans withdrew from Bosnia under Soviet pressure in late 1944, the Bosnian Muslims started to desert. A handful remained with the unit and, reinforced with more German troops, put up a very tough fight against the Russians in the last months of the war (nearly all of the Knight's Crosses awarded to the division were in this latter period). I highly recommed Depre's book on the division ("Himmler's Bosnian Division").

You are also incorrect to assert that the western European volunteers were just for PR. On the contrary, they recruited hundreds of thousands of western Europeans who put up a superb fight on the eastern front. The Norwegian, Finnish, Danish, Walloon, Dutch and French SS divisions all compiled superb combat records, and suffered terribly in the process. They were hardly the stuff of PR units for mere show.

The only strictly PR units set up by the Waffen-SS were the Indian Legion and British Freikorps. The former was disbanded, and the decent recruits sent to join the Indian National Army in Burma. The latter was largely destroyed in the fighting for Berlin when attached to the 11th SS division Nordland.

[2banana]

It was an OK line combat unit but a great unit for rounding up partisians/unarmed non-muslim civilians for concentration camps (which is why it was created).

[2banana]

I disagree. There were muslim police units raised in this area.

Miranda Vickers, in her book Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo, describes how these Albanian Muslims were involved in forced deportations of Jews and Serbs; how 10,000 Serbs and Jews were burnt out of their homes in scores of villages; how the Albanian 21st Waffen SS division entered Hitler’s army and at once murdered 210 Jews in Kosovo.

Or check out the Koritska Jama Gorge massacre where thousands of Jews were slaughtered by these muslim units.

Yes, you maybe correct that technically their unit's mission was patrolling an area of Bosnia but in reality they helped where ever they could in rounding up and killing Serbs, Gypsies and Jews.

[dennisw]

When I first saw the pics, (POST#33) I thought they were Muslims too, but the majority of those pictured are German officers of the Division. They're all published in Lepre's book.

Take a look here. Same pictures as post #33 but with captions. The captions say they are Muslims.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/bosnia.html

 

[ecomcon]

That should have been your first post. Now, you have made a point.

That said, Islam is a violent, backward cult founded by a murderer and child molester.