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"Drink At Least 8 Glasses Of Water A Day" -- Really?
Science Daily ^ | 8-9-2002

Posted on 08/09/2002 6:14:48 AM PDT by blam

Date: Posted 8/9/2002

"Drink At Least 8 Glasses Of Water A Day" -- Really?

Hanover, NH -- It has become accepted wisdom: "Drink at least eight glasses of water a day!" Not necessarily, says a DMS physician Heinz Valtin, MD. The universal advice that has made guzzling water a national pastime is more urban myth than medical dogma and appears to lack scientific proof, he found. In an invited review published online by the American Journal of Physiology August 8, Valtin, professor emeritus of physiology at Dartmouth Medical School, reports no supporting evidence to back this popular counsel, commonly known as "8 x 8" (for eight, eight-ounce glasses). The review will also appear in a later issue of the journal.

Valtin, a kidney specialist and author of two widely used textbooks on the kidney and water balance, sought to find the origin of this dictum and to examine the scientific evidence, if any, that might support it. He observes that we see the exhortation everywhere: from health writers, nutritionists, even physicians. Valtin doubts its validity. Indeed, he finds it, "difficult to believe that evolution left us with a chronic water deficit that needs to be compensated by forcing a high fluid intake."

The 8 x 8 rule is slavishly followed. Everywhere, people carry bottles of water, constantly sipping from them; it is acceptable to drink water anywhere, anytime. A pamphlet distributed at one southern California university even counsels its students to "carry a water bottle with you. Drink often while sitting in class..."

How did the obsession start? Is there any scientific evidence that supports the recommendation? Does the habit promote good health? Might it be harmful?

Valtin thinks the notion may have started when the Food and Nutrition Board of the National Research Council recommended approximately "1 milliliter of water for each calorie of food," which would amount to roughly two to two-and-a-half quarts per day (64 to 80 ounces). Although in its next sentence, the Board stated "most of this quantity is contained in prepared foods," that last sentence may have been missed, so that the recommendation was erroneously interpreted as how much water one should drink each day.

He found no scientific studies in support of 8 x 8. Rather, surveys of fluid intake on healthy adults of both genders, published as peer-reviewed documents, strongly suggest that such large amounts are not needed. His conclusion is supported by published studies showing that caffeinated drinks, such as most coffee, tea and soft drinks, may indeed be counted toward the daily total. He also points to the quantity of published experiments that attest to the capability of the human body for maintaining proper water balance.

Valtin emphasizes that his conclusion is limited to healthy adults in a temperate climate leading a largely sedentary existence -- precisely, he points out, the population and conditions that the "at least" in 8 x 8 refers to. At the same time, he stresses that large intakes of fluid, equal to and greater than 8 x 8, are advisable for the treatment or prevention of some diseases, such as kidney stones, as well as under special circumstances, such as strenuous physical activity, long airplane flights or hot weather. But barring those exceptions, he concludes that we are currently drinking enough and possibly even more than enough.

Despite the dearth of compelling evidence, then, What's the harm? "The fact is that, potentially, there is harm even in water," explains Valtin. Even modest increases in fluid intake can result in "water intoxication" if one's kidneys are unable to excrete enough water (urine). Such instances are not unheard of, and they have led to mental confusion and even death in athletes, in teenagers after ingesting the recreational drug Ecstasy, and in ordinary patients.

And he lists other disadvantages of a high water intake: (a) possible exposure to pollutants, especially if sustained over many years; (b) frequent urination, which can be both inconvenient and embarrassing; (c) expense, for those who satisfy the 8 x 8 requirements with bottled water; and (d) feelings of guilt for not achieving 8 x 8.

Other claims discredited by scientific evidence that Valtin discusses include:

Thirst Is Too Late. It is often stated that by the time people are thirsty, they are already dehydrated. On the contrary, thirst begins when the concentration of blood (an accurate indicator of our state of hydration) has risen by less than two percent, whereas most experts would define dehydration as beginning when that concentration has risen by at least five percent.

Dark Urine Means Dehydration. At normal urinary volume and color, the concentration of the blood is within the normal range and nowhere near the values that are seen in meaningful dehydration. Therefore, the warning that dark urine reflects dehydration is alarmist and false in most instances. Is there scientific documentation that we do not need to drink "8 x 8"? There is highly suggestive evidence, says Valtin. First is the voluminous scientific literature on the efficacy of the osmoregulatory system that maintains water balance through the antidiuretic hormone and thirst. Second, published surveys document that the mean daily fluid intake of thousands of presumably healthy humans is less than the roughly two quarts prescribed by 8 x 8. Valtin argues that, in view of this evidence, the burden of proof that everyone needs 8 x 8 should fall on those who persist in advocating the high fluid intake without, apparently, citing any scientific support.

Finally, strong evidence now indicates that not all of the prescribed fluid need be in the form of water. Careful peer-reviewed experiments have shown that caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake in the vast majority of persons. To a lesser extent, the same probably can be said for dilute alcoholic beverages, such as beer, if taken in moderation.

"Thus, I have found no scientific proof that absolutely every person must 'drink at least eight glasses of water a day'," says Valtin. While there is some evidence that the risk of certain diseases can be lowered by high water intake, the quantities needed for this beneficial effect may be less than 8 x 8, and the recommendation can be limited to those particularly susceptible to the diseases in question.

DMS news is on the web at http://www.dartmouth.edu/dms/news.


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1 posted on 08/09/2002 6:14:48 AM PDT by blam
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caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake

Thank God. I was getting tired of drinking 8 8-ounce glasses of water in addition to my 12 8-ounce cups of coffee.

3 posted on 08/09/2002 6:20:02 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: blam
It was only a matter of time before the dangers of Dihydrogen Oxide were discovered. Clearly, we need more government oversite, and perhaps even laws declaring Dihydrogen Oxide a controlled substance.
4 posted on 08/09/2002 6:21:48 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace
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To: blam
And he lists other disadvantages of a high water intake: (a) possible exposure to pollutants, especially if sustained over many years; (b) frequent urination, which can be both inconvenient and embarrassing; (c) expense, for those who satisfy the 8 x 8 requirements with bottled water; and (d) feelings of guilt for not achieving 8 x 8.

He should have mentioned accidental drowning if you fall into the cup. Sheesh...

5 posted on 08/09/2002 6:22:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: blam
Gee, if coffee counts, then I don't need to drink water.
6 posted on 08/09/2002 6:25:09 AM PDT by Genesis defender
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To: Larry Lucido
in addition to my 12 8-ounce cups of coffee

Only 12? You're a light-weight.

Seriously, I drink about 4 liters of water each day. I have had kidney stones in the past, with pain I would not wish on anyone. Since I started the water regimen, no more stones. No matter what 'evidence' this 'professional' conjures up, I will stick with what has worked.

Oh, and by the way, I have a 12-cup Mr. Coffee........that's just for breakfast. I never met a urinal I couldn't pass. :)

7 posted on 08/09/2002 6:26:34 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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You could be on to something. Dihydrogen Oxide is likely the most dangerous chemical known to man. More people die per year from acute overexposure than any other chemical.
8 posted on 08/09/2002 6:27:36 AM PDT by Fzob
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To: blam
you only need 8 ounce glasses?? Damnation, I've been putting away 8 32-ounce glasses a day! Ah, well -- I may pee a lot, but I have a lot fewer headaches than before
9 posted on 08/09/2002 6:33:45 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: Fzob
What's worse, that dihydrogen oxide crap is a well-known gateway drug. Virtually 100% of all drug abusers used dihydrogen oxide before they got into harder substances. In fact, dihydrogen oxide makes up more than 70% of an addict's body weight!
10 posted on 08/09/2002 6:35:45 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: blam
Every individual has a different need for water. I for example do not perspire much, and do not feel like drinking water most of the time. I may have a couple of cups of coffee, a couple of fruits, and one beer or coke all day. Zero pure water? Or may be half a glass of water. I am very healthy.
11 posted on 08/09/2002 6:36:12 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Fzob
You should give people more info on this Dihydrogen Monoxide stuff. They can check here.
12 posted on 08/09/2002 6:36:17 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: blam
Glub....I mean BUMP.
13 posted on 08/09/2002 6:36:26 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: blam
Here is a health tip given by God: Drink a liquid when your thristy or hot (cold when your hot and hot when your cold), it's the "natural' way...Not rocket science here! I had a receptionist who worked for me that was always knocking down a bottle of "pure" water --- she was in the john every 45 minutes and missed a lot of incoming calls.
14 posted on 08/09/2002 6:37:41 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: blam
Actually, excessive hydration can kill you. In fact a number of athletes & military have died from over hydration. Your kidneys can't remove the water, you colon takes over, throws your electrolyes out of balance, you collapse and go into coma & die.
15 posted on 08/09/2002 6:37:57 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: WindMinstrel
I am SOOOOOO hooked on dihydrogen oxide, I have to have it all the time man! If I go off of it I'll die. We must stop the dihydrogen oxide craze before more become addicted like me!
16 posted on 08/09/2002 6:44:21 AM PDT by realpatriot71
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To: Rebel_Ace
It was only a matter of time before the dangers of Dihydrogen Oxide were discovered. Clearly, we need more government oversite, and perhaps even laws declaring Dihydrogen Oxide a controlled substance.

That's not far enough. Ban all water! after all it's for the children </sarcasim off>

17 posted on 08/09/2002 6:48:29 AM PDT by gilor
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To: blam
You know I am 49 years old. Prior to the 1980's doctors knew absolutely nothing about nutrition. They were simply treat the problem type guys and gals. During this time and just prior to it we got the message of the food pyramid and drinking all this water. They had little scientific support but we extolled to the masses as dogma. Soon it became the accepted belief of not just the medical community but also the general population. Drink water, don't eat fat, carbohydrates are good for you, yada, yada, yada. In this climate there were even groups formed like PETA (1980) because it is obvious that if eating these things are bad for you then we should not.

The medical community is set to take a big hit on their stupidity. Real people follow low carbohydrate diets with sucess. Real people don't drink that 8x8 and have no ill effects. So what good are the doctors and organizations that have been pushing these unscientific schemes? They are regulated back to treat the symptoms, pill pushers for the drug companies. It really is very sad.
18 posted on 08/09/2002 6:49:37 AM PDT by Investment Biker
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To: blam
While I don't dispute the article's assertions, I have found one instance where the 8x8 idea is constructive: cushioning a weight-loss program.

One of the hardest things to cope with when on a diet is the feeling of emptiness. Water, being non-caloric, can assuage that discomfort at no cost. There is a limit, of course, and each of us has to find it for himself.

The other thing about water and dieting is that drinking water helps to prevent salt bloat. Since most of us have to reduce our consumption of sugars when dieting, we tend, sometimes unconsciously, to increase our consumption of salt and other flavor-enhancers. Extra salt will cause a lot of people's skin to become puffy, and many women's extremities to swell. The 8x8 practice can moderate this effect.

No practice is right for everyone, and this is nowhere more true than in dieting. But the use of water to help maintain a diet and ease its discomforts is something to keep in mind when you decide that you've toted that spare tire around long enough.

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19 posted on 08/09/2002 6:51:05 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: chuknospam
Actually, excessive hydration can kill you. In fact a number of athletes & military have died from over hydration.

There was a story about this several weeks ago on FR.

But the amount of water was so excessive it was ridiculous.

It told the story of one young Army woman who died from over-hydration. But it was discovered that SHE DRANK THREE GALLONS OF WATER IN ONE HOUR to gain weight in order to fail her height/weight test.

20 posted on 08/09/2002 6:52:04 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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