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1 posted on 08/09/2002 6:14:48 AM PDT by blam
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caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake

Thank God. I was getting tired of drinking 8 8-ounce glasses of water in addition to my 12 8-ounce cups of coffee.

3 posted on 08/09/2002 6:20:02 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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It was only a matter of time before the dangers of Dihydrogen Oxide were discovered. Clearly, we need more government oversite, and perhaps even laws declaring Dihydrogen Oxide a controlled substance.
4 posted on 08/09/2002 6:21:48 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace
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And he lists other disadvantages of a high water intake: (a) possible exposure to pollutants, especially if sustained over many years; (b) frequent urination, which can be both inconvenient and embarrassing; (c) expense, for those who satisfy the 8 x 8 requirements with bottled water; and (d) feelings of guilt for not achieving 8 x 8.

He should have mentioned accidental drowning if you fall into the cup. Sheesh...

5 posted on 08/09/2002 6:22:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Gee, if coffee counts, then I don't need to drink water.
6 posted on 08/09/2002 6:25:09 AM PDT by Genesis defender
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you only need 8 ounce glasses?? Damnation, I've been putting away 8 32-ounce glasses a day! Ah, well -- I may pee a lot, but I have a lot fewer headaches than before
9 posted on 08/09/2002 6:33:45 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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Every individual has a different need for water. I for example do not perspire much, and do not feel like drinking water most of the time. I may have a couple of cups of coffee, a couple of fruits, and one beer or coke all day. Zero pure water? Or may be half a glass of water. I am very healthy.
11 posted on 08/09/2002 6:36:12 AM PDT by philosofy123
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Glub....I mean BUMP.
13 posted on 08/09/2002 6:36:26 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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Here is a health tip given by God: Drink a liquid when your thristy or hot (cold when your hot and hot when your cold), it's the "natural' way...Not rocket science here! I had a receptionist who worked for me that was always knocking down a bottle of "pure" water --- she was in the john every 45 minutes and missed a lot of incoming calls.
14 posted on 08/09/2002 6:37:41 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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Actually, excessive hydration can kill you. In fact a number of athletes & military have died from over hydration. Your kidneys can't remove the water, you colon takes over, throws your electrolyes out of balance, you collapse and go into coma & die.
15 posted on 08/09/2002 6:37:57 AM PDT by chuknospam
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You know I am 49 years old. Prior to the 1980's doctors knew absolutely nothing about nutrition. They were simply treat the problem type guys and gals. During this time and just prior to it we got the message of the food pyramid and drinking all this water. They had little scientific support but we extolled to the masses as dogma. Soon it became the accepted belief of not just the medical community but also the general population. Drink water, don't eat fat, carbohydrates are good for you, yada, yada, yada. In this climate there were even groups formed like PETA (1980) because it is obvious that if eating these things are bad for you then we should not.

The medical community is set to take a big hit on their stupidity. Real people follow low carbohydrate diets with sucess. Real people don't drink that 8x8 and have no ill effects. So what good are the doctors and organizations that have been pushing these unscientific schemes? They are regulated back to treat the symptoms, pill pushers for the drug companies. It really is very sad.
18 posted on 08/09/2002 6:49:37 AM PDT by Investment Biker
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While I don't dispute the article's assertions, I have found one instance where the 8x8 idea is constructive: cushioning a weight-loss program.

One of the hardest things to cope with when on a diet is the feeling of emptiness. Water, being non-caloric, can assuage that discomfort at no cost. There is a limit, of course, and each of us has to find it for himself.

The other thing about water and dieting is that drinking water helps to prevent salt bloat. Since most of us have to reduce our consumption of sugars when dieting, we tend, sometimes unconsciously, to increase our consumption of salt and other flavor-enhancers. Extra salt will cause a lot of people's skin to become puffy, and many women's extremities to swell. The 8x8 practice can moderate this effect.

No practice is right for everyone, and this is nowhere more true than in dieting. But the use of water to help maintain a diet and ease its discomforts is something to keep in mind when you decide that you've toted that spare tire around long enough.

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19 posted on 08/09/2002 6:51:05 AM PDT by fporretto
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It's an attempt to return us to the sea via devolution.
26 posted on 08/09/2002 7:10:35 AM PDT by Consort
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Oh boy. Now you did it. Its only a matter of a few minutes and all the Libertarians will be here agreeing that we don't need any more WOD-ers.
27 posted on 08/09/2002 7:12:58 AM PDT by kidd
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The 8 x 8 rule is slavishly followed. Everywhere, people carry bottles of water, constantly sipping from them; it is acceptable to drink water anywhere, anytime. A pamphlet distributed at one southern California university even counsels its students to "carry a water bottle with you. Drink often while sitting in class..."

As we learned in Mechanisms of Cardiovascular Disease class, your body has a way of indicating when you need more water. It's called thirst. Any water drunk beyond that just makes more work for the kidneys. Figure how many billions of water per day are flushed away for no other reason than the water swilling fad. Well, also all the millions of man hours lost because (mostly) women are away from the desk sitting on the toilet because of drinking excess water. You'd think the environmentalists would be the first to speak out about the waste of natural resources in terms of flush water and toilet paper because of this ridiculous fad.
28 posted on 08/09/2002 7:14:49 AM PDT by aruanan
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Does the habit promote good health?

Is Water the Ultimate Weapon Against Disease?

Pennsylvanian says 'yes' and is willing to pay people to drink up.

    Everyone has heard about the benefits of drinking water. But one individual in particular swears by the stuff and is willing to put his money where his mouth is.    Bob Butts believes that if people would simply drink enough water each day they could rid themselves of most ailments, including asthma, allergies, depression, cancer, Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy.

For the complete article, click here:

THE WATER CURE

35 posted on 08/09/2002 7:43:49 AM PDT by NYer
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Careful peer-reviewed experiments have shown that caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake in the vast majority of persons. To a lesser extent, the same probably can be said for dilute alcoholic beverages, such as beer, if taken in moderation.

I knew it! Drink Beer, Stay Hydrated!

38 posted on 08/09/2002 7:56:10 AM PDT by Stingray51
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Here's a few articles that I've archived. I'm not gonna stop drinking my water. (And yes, evolution may have "left us with a chronic water deficit." Why is that so unbelieveable? Has evolution resolved our other health problems? Atkins, I believe, recommends an increased water intake also...but I'm open for correction on that.)

Drinking water linked to lower heart disease risk

Last Updated: 2002-05-08 12:52:45 -0400 (Reuters Health)

By Alison McCook

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Want to lower your risk of having a heart attack? Drink more water, and less of everything else, new research reports.

Researchers at Loma Linda University in California found that people who drank at least five glasses of water each day were less likely to die from a heart attack than those who drank two or fewer glasses per day.

In contrast, people who drank a lot of other fluids were more likely to die from heart attack than those who drank less, with high levels of non-water drinking in women associated with a more than twofold increased risk of death.

The results are based on lifestyle surveys sent out in 1976 to people living in California Seventh-day Adventist households. This analysis is based on responses from 8,280 men and 12,017 women, who were all aged 38 years or older in 1976.

The authors, led by Dr. Jacqueline Chan, followed the participants for 6 years and noted their rates of coronary heart disease. A total of 246 respondents died from heart disease during the follow-up period.

Chan and her team found that women who drank more than five 8-ounce glasses of water each day were 41% less likely to die from heart attack during the study period than those who drank two or fewer glasses daily. In high-water consuming men, that risk decreased by 54%.

But when they looked at consumption of other fluids, including coffee, tea, juice, milk and alcohol, the risk was reversed, with heavy drinking women exhibiting a more than twofold higher risk of dying of heart attack. Heavy non-water drinking in men was associated with a 46% increase in the risk of heart attack death.

In an interview with Reuters Health, Chan explained that researchers believe that when people drink water, it becomes absorbed in the blood, which decreases blood "thickness." This lowers the risk of developing a heart attack-triggering blood clot.

Other fluids can thicken the blood because in order to be digested, they need to contain the same concentration of particles as the blood. If upon digestion, the fluids need to be diluted, water gets pulled into the gut from the blood.

Chan added that these results should be confirmed by subsequent studies, and that there are certain differences between the study participants and the population as a whole. All participants were white, and most reported healthy diets and levels of exercise, with very few respondents saying they drink alcohol or smoke. However, Chan said she didn't expect there to be any substantial racial differences, and that her team used statistical tools to eliminate the effect of other factors on heart attack. They found that water itself still seemed to protect people.

Unlike aspirin and alcohol, which reduce heart attack risk but can potentially cause other health problems, Chan said that water is a cheap, easy, and harmless way to help your heart. Water "can only do you good," she said.

Commenting on the link between raised risk of heart attack and drinking juice, which is a healthy drink, Chan said that she doesn't want people to stop drinking juice, but they should monitor their intake. "It is very healthy, it's just that you need moderation," she said.

SOURCE: American Journal of Epidemiology 2002;155:827-833.

Water and exercise cut men's cancer risk

NEW YORK, Aug 11 (Reuters Health) -- Drinking a good amount of water and having an active lifestyle appear to reduce the risk of colorectal cancer in men, results of a study suggest.

``These findings add to the evidence that leisure-time activity may reduce colon-cancer risk, not only in high-risk but also in low-risk populations, and support the potential beneficial effect of increased water intake in reducing colorectal cancer risk,'' report researchers from Chang Gung University in Tao-Yuan, Taiwan. The report is published in the International Journal of Cancer.

Those men who consumed the most water had a 92% lower risk of rectal cancer than those who drank the least water, according to the study of 163 Taiwanese cancer patients aged 33 to 80 who were compared with 163 healthy people in the same age group.

What's more, those men with the most active lifestyles had 83% lower risk of colon cancer compared to men with sedentary lifestyles.

The investigators found no link between water intake or exercise and colorectal cancer in women.

However, past studies have found that people who exercise -- regardless of gender -- have a lower risk of colorectal cancer. The researchers note that it is possible that the number of women in the study, 71, was too small to detect an association. Or that the women who were sedentary in their leisure time actually engaged in heavy physical activity, such as washing clothes by hand, house-cleaning, or farming -- which would mask the association.

The study could not determine why water intake or physical activity decreased the cancer risk. However, one hypothesis is that exercise stimulates the colon and decreases the period of time that potential carcinogens in partially digested food are in contact with the intestinal lining.

Similarly, ``increased water intake may be an important factor in reducing colon cancer risk by decreasing bowel transit time or by decreasing the concentration of carcinogenic compounds in the water phase,'' the authors write.

SOURCE: International Journal of Cancer 1999;82:484-489.

Hard water good for hearts

NEW YORK, Dec 23 (Reuters Health) -- Two minerals that determine water hardness -- magnesium and calcium -- seem to protect women from heart disease, according to a Swedish study that also raised some intriguing questions.

In the study published in the January issue of the journal Epidemiology, a team of researchers led by Eva Rubenowitz, writes ``magnesium and calcium in drinking water are important protective factors for death from acute myocardial infarction among women.''

Previous studies had shown similar beneficial effects for men, but studies in women have been lacking.

Rubenowitz and fellow researchers examined the levels of magnesium and calcium in water from 16 different municipalities in Sweden. They obtained information on all women in the study areas who had died between the ages of 50 and 69 years between 1982 and 1993. A total of 378 women who died of a heart attack were chosen for one group, while another group of 1,368 women who had died of cancer were placed in a control group. The researchers then examined the different water supplies where the women in both groups had lived.

They concluded that higher levels of both magnesium and calcium appeared to protect women's hearts. For men, water calcium had no effect on the risk of heart attack, but for women a low level of calcium appeared to be a risk factor.

In an accompanying editorial, however, Dr. Raymond Neutra, an epidemiologist with the California Department of Health Services, writes that although he does not doubt Rubenowitz's results, they are extremely puzzling because the amount of magnesium people absorb from their drinking water is significantly less than the amount that they absorb from the food they eat.

One explanation he considered was that the fruit and vegetables the women were eating also absorbed higher or lower amounts of magnesium depending on their local water supply. But in an interview with Reuters Health, he said that idea was probably faulty because people in the US and Sweden often eat fruit and vegetables grown in other parts of the country or the world.

He urges more studies be undertaken to better understand the role of magnesium in heart health.

``I haven't gone out and purchased mineral water with high levels of magnesium, although studies have shown it to be effective with regard to heart disease,'' said Neutra. ``But I do eat a well-balanced diet that offers plenty of magnesium. We still have a lot to learn about magnesium.''

SOURCE: Epidemiology 1999;10:4-6, 31-36.

39 posted on 08/09/2002 8:04:20 AM PDT by Leonard210
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It's all an urban legend? LOL! I love it. I have to tell my officemate who guzzles water all day.
43 posted on 08/09/2002 8:26:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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How 'bout this: drink when you're thirsty. Duh.
47 posted on 08/09/2002 8:53:32 AM PDT by Musket
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No thanks. I prefer wine.
48 posted on 08/09/2002 9:47:04 AM PDT by bloodmeridian
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