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And Don't Come Back. (US citizens who renounce their citizenship for tax purposes face obstacles)
Forbes, v158, n12, p44(2) ^ | Nov 18, 1996 | Author: Lenzner, Robert

Posted on 08/04/2002 9:06:30 AM PDT by vannrox

And Don't Come Back. (US citizens who renounce their citizenship for tax purposes face obstacles)


Author: Lenzner, Robert

Forbes, v158, n12, p44(2)

Nov 18, 1996


ISSN: 0015-6914 LANGUAGE: English RECORD TYPE: Fulltext; Abstract

WORD COUNT: 880 LINE COUNT: 00070

ABSTRACT: Taxpatriates, those US citizens who give up their US citizenship in order to escape US taxes face two new obstacles. Congress passed a law in 1995 which makes expatriates liable for ten years of income tax following their departure. They must also apply for visas to re-enter the US.

TEXT: AFTER DECADES of being a successful American industrialist, former Wheel-abrator-Frye Chairman Michael Dingman became a taxpatriate a few years ago. Like a growing number of wealthy people, Dingman renounced his U.S. citizenship. He became a citizen of the Bahamas and began spending most of his time on his yacht and in his new waterfront palace in Lyford Cay, Bahamas.

As a non-U.S. citizen, Dingman couldn't vote in U.S. elections or carry a licensed weapon. But he was able to escape the U.S.' increasingly punishing taxes on income and capital gains. And he had a legal right to visit his old country for up to 120 days every year, without facing tax penalties. Other wealthy taxpatriates include Ted Arison, the Carnival Cruise founder, and John T. Dorrance III, a Campbell Soup heir.

When FORBES showed that the trickle of taxpatriates threatened to become a small flood (Nov. 21, 1994), an outcry erupted in Washington. But rather than address the root of the problem-high taxation-the pols tried to impose special taxes on future taxpatriates' wealth.

In February 1995 the Democrats proposed creating an exit tax of 28% of appreciated gains on all assets as the price of leaving-in essence making the taxpatriate pay a capital gains tax on his holdings as if he had liquidated them on the way out of the country. But lobbyists for would-be tax refugees were able to block that proposed legislation by arguing that it violated their international human rights.

Next step: In August 1996 the Republicans pasted some anti-taxpatriate language into the Health Insurance Portability & Accountability Act. This law now subjects expatriates with a net worth of over $500,000 to taxation on their income earned in the U.S. for ten years from the time they renounce their citizenship, no matter where they live or whose flag they salute. But this is a law without teeth. Any clever entrepreneur can live by borrowing against assets rather than paying himself an income. Any good international tax lawyer can move ownership of U.S. assets into a foreign corporation or trust, thus making most taxpatriates' U.S.-sourced income vanish.

The latest effort to keep intrepid taxpatriates on the reservation was passed with no fanfare in early October. A little-noticed provision of the Illegal Immigration Reform & Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 says, in essence, that Americans can still renounce their citizenship and flee to tax havens like the Bahamas, Ireland and Switzerland. But if they do, they can't necessarily come back to the U.S., not even to visit the grandkids or attend their college reunions.

Under the new law, the taxpatriate-any expatriate for that matter-must apply for a visa for every visit. The law states that the U.S. Attorney General may prohibit the issuance of a visa to a former U.S. citizen if there are solid grounds to believe that citizenship was renounced in order to avoid taxes.

In short, taxpatriates will now be treated as exiles without any visiting rights, just like the illegal immigrants the U.S. wants to cut off.

Michael Dingman and other taxpatriates who renounced their U.S. citizenship before February 1995 won't be affected by either of the two new anti-taxpatriate laws. They have been grandfathered. But several would-be taxpatriates have been caught between the dock and the departing ship. Joseph Bogdanovich, 84, is the chairman of Star-Kist Foods and is vice chairman of H.J. Heinz Co. Bogdanovich became a citizen of another country-Heinz won't say which-in December 1994. But he did not receive his certificate of loss of U.S. nationality until Feb. 14 of 1995. That was eight days after the deadline mandated by the Clinton Administration's proposed 28% exit tax, meaning Bogdanovich would have been subject to the exit tax had it gone through.

Bogdanovich hired lobbyists who helped defeat the exit-tax proposal, but he is still subject to August's law subjecting taxpatriates to U.S. taxes on U.S.-sourced income. It is not clear whether Bogdanovich was able to spirit his assets out of the country, but his 3.8 million shares of H.J.Heinz, worth $137 million, are now held in trust. Heinz will say only that Bogdanovich works out of Heinz's U.K. headquarters in London, acquiring fish supplies for Star-Kist.

As to Bogdanovich's status under last month's Illegal Immigration Reform & Immigrant Responsibility Act: He was grandfathered.

The matter isn't settled. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), the Senate Finance Committee's ranking Democrat, thinks that treating taxpatriates like illegal immigrants is a bad idea.

"You have to be careful to protect the rights of people you despise," says Moynihan. "Our legislation which called for a capital gains tax on appreciated assets as the price of expatriation was a fairer way to deal with the problem. What passed was a bad bill."

In short, if the Democrats ever regain control of the tax-writing committees, there will probably be another effort to discourage taxpatriation-not by lowering existing taxes, but by imposing new taxes.

COPYRIGHT 1996 Forbes Inc.

SPECIAL FEATURES: illustration; photograph

DESCRIPTORS: Taxation--Laws, regulations, etc.; Expatriation--Laws, regulations, etc.; Visas--Laws, regulations, etc.

PRODUCT/INDUSTRY NAMES: 9101100 (Tax Law)

FILE SEGMENT: MI File 47


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: citizen; democrat; dnc; freedom; greed; irs; liberty; money; renounce; tax; taxreform; us
How can a person be "Free" without having the "Freedom to renouce that Freedom"?
1 posted on 08/04/2002 9:06:30 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
It saddens me that these creative Americans are not allowed back into the motherland. Two remedial suggestions: (1) pay Clinton the necessary bribe to get a backdated exception/pardon and he'll arrange to have one of his flunkies slip it under an INS stack of paper waiting to be processed, or, (2) pay Mrs. Dashole the necessary amount and she'll arrange to have her contacts in the Senate enact the required legislation. I, personnal, like number two because it has the added advantage of perfect anonymity; the client's name will never be known (tax returns are ABSOLUTELY secret) and, if it did, the media would never publish it.
2 posted on 08/04/2002 9:16:04 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: vannrox
The congress has become a disdgusting cesspool of corruption and deceit. It it operates often in secret.

Especially the Senate - horrible.

These people do not represent "freedom", they work for the "master", the Central Bank, and it's backers and pay "lip service" to the "people".

The country has become "Of the special interests, for the special interests, and by the special interest", and the election system is so rigged it will be very difficult to changed this.

The money is almost without value, and with the vast increase in the money supply during Greenspan, money is about to become almost worthless.

Far from being in "recovery" we are still descending into the quagmire, and the DOW will go well below 6000 before we see a "recovery". The Real Estate bubble will bust soon.

We are, as a people, in deep do do and it will take decades to correct, if it ever does get corrected. Meanwhile, here comes a police state the likes of which no one on earth, save perhaps the Romans circa 495ad, have ever seen before.

Welcome to a world we all desrerve for failing to live up to our fouinding ideals. The sin of the fathers, etc.
4 posted on 08/04/2002 9:37:33 AM PDT by RISU
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To: vannrox
These are not US citizens. I don't mind regulating their entry and exit from the US. The rules should be applied equally to the peasant from Mexico and the millionaire from the Bahamas however.
5 posted on 08/04/2002 10:01:43 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: *Taxreform
Index Bump
6 posted on 08/04/2002 10:15:23 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: vannrox
Those who renounce their US citizenship should go to the bottom of the list of those wanting to get into this country. Their applications for visas can be handled by INS after INS has caught up on all its other duties, including the catching and expulsion of every illegal alien now here.
7 posted on 08/04/2002 10:27:42 AM PDT by per loin
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To: per loin
a) Why? Why should this nation not be exposed to competition in taxation? Why should we start behaving like the Soviets and punishing the families of those who leave by confiscating their property?

b) All you need to to avoid renouncing citizenship for tax purposes is to do something to get it revoked. Only the egregious cases could be difinitively identified as renouncing citizenship for tax purposes.

All of these laws are full of holes, and good that!

8 posted on 08/04/2002 10:56:47 AM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
All you need to to avoid renouncing citizenship for tax purposes is to do something to get it revoked.

Like join the French Foreign Legion, maybe? It's not so easy to get one's citizenship revoked without getting into some other trouble.

9 posted on 08/04/2002 11:19:06 AM PDT by Salman
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To: vannrox
Congress passed a law in 1995 which makes expatriates liable for ten years of income tax following their departure.

Congress can pass all the tax laws it wants against expats. Once the expat is out of the U.S., the Federal Government can go pound sand because its laws do not transcend into another country.

10 posted on 08/04/2002 11:20:15 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: All
There is a lot of information about leaving the country and holding on to your hard earned money at: www.escapeartist.com
11 posted on 08/04/2002 11:46:24 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: per loin
"Those who renounce their US citizenship should go to the bottom of the list of those wanting to get into this country. Their applications for visas can be handled by INS after INS has caught up on all its other duties, including the catching and expulsion of every illegal alien now here."

I agree with you 100%. I think that it is much more important for the INS to continue processing and approving as many student VISAS from Iran, Syria, Lybia, Indonesia, Burma and Saudi Arabia before worrying about this. Hell, why not offer them free flight training if they want it too at taxpayer expense. The people of this country have an enemy far more dangerous than the terrorists; those who will take away our freedoms running the imperial capital of Rome, now known as D.C.
12 posted on 08/04/2002 11:47:15 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
That's like my former resident state which has a state income tax. I earned 0 income in that state after moving to the great state of Florida, where the phrase "income tax" is linked to communism and the plague. For two years this state mailed me forms demanding I file. I mailed them both back with a statement in bold black crayon (that's right, Crayola):

"I don't live there anymore. I don't want to live there ever again. Why should I offer tribute to a state that can't manage their finances and overtaxes their citizens? Go pound sand."

After the second form was sent back like that I never heard from them again. If I were a taxpatriate, I would do the same.
13 posted on 08/04/2002 11:50:43 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: All
If there were no income tax, this problem would not exist...

The need to renounce citizenship would not be necessary....

Value/job creating businessmen would be happy to stay in the U.S.

Citizens would benefit...

Problem solved...

14 posted on 08/04/2002 11:59:29 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: vannrox
Under the new law, the taxpatriate-any expatriate for that matter-must apply for a visa for every visit. The law states that the U.S. Attorney General may prohibit the issuance of a visa to a former U.S. citizen if there are solid grounds to believe that citizenship was renounced in order to avoid taxes.

A taxpatriate can re-enter the U.S. any time he wants without a visa. Illegal aliens do it every day. If he is caught by U.S. federal authorities (fat chance) all they will do is simply send him back to his new home country.

15 posted on 08/04/2002 12:13:45 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Salman
I don't think you have to do anything as drastic as that. AFAIK any foreign government title, even honorary, above a certain level will do. I'm sure the tax haven will figure this one out pretty quick.
16 posted on 08/04/2002 1:45:12 PM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_; Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I'm sure the tax haven will figure this one out pretty quick.

How about a 'Ministry' for each species of the haven, The Ministry of Blue Marlin, The Ministry of White Marlin, The Ministry of Striped Marlin, etc.

;-)

17 posted on 08/04/2002 1:57:04 PM PDT by StriperSniper
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To: vannrox
Thanks for posting this article, vannrox.

It is an excellent article.  I have actually read it before, and have quoted from it in articles that I have written for the Action America web site, where we have several articles on this subject.  In fact, I have quoted from the other article that you posted a while ago, as well, "The New Refugees."

I encourage anyone who is reading this thread to click on the above link and read the FR posting of "The New refugees", as well.  They are both as appropriate today as when they were written.

To give you a good idea of how big this type of capital flight has become, I suggest that you look at the links page of The Sovereign Society, at http://64.23.55.231/vmembers.php?sec=osweb and follow some of the links provided there.  Notice how many different businesses there are that make a living helping wealthy people to leave.  Notice how many web sites there are.  Notice how many paper magazines exist in that market.  In fact, indications are that roughly 100,000 Americans left the United States last year, for more wealth friendly climates.  Before long, there won't be enough wealth here to pay all the taxes and it's our laws that is causing the whole thing.

 

18 posted on 08/05/2002 12:04:21 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: per loin
Those who renounce their US citizenship should go to the bottom of the list of those wanting to get into this country.

You may want to give this position a little more consideration. It seems a bit simplistic and reactionary to me.

If I was in the same position as some of these wealthy expats, I'd be tempted to do the same thing. But believe me, I love my country and everything it stands for.

The decision to leave wouldn't be an act of contempt against my country, but simply against the corrupt and greedy politicians who are running it, and running it into the ground.

At some point, Atlas will shrug.

19 posted on 08/05/2002 7:29:47 AM PDT by tdadams
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