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"Vinland Map" Parchment Predates Columbus's Arrival In North America
ScienceDaily ^
| 7/30/2002
| Smithsonian Institution
Posted on 07/30/2002 11:11:50 AM PDT by sourcery
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posted on
07/30/2002 11:11:50 AM PDT
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sourcery
To: sourcery
I thought I just read an article the other day proclaiming, at long last, the vinland map a clever fake.
To: Texas_Jarhead
I remember watching an "In Search Of..." episode where they said it was forged by a 20th Century priest who had an affinity for ancient maps. I forget his name now, though.
To: Texas_Jarhead
Yes, you did. The main reason I posted this was because I had also seen the same article, and thought it would therefore be relevant to post a contrary opinion. Given the facts presented, and the reputations of the sources, I tend to favor the 'map is authentic' theory.
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posted on
07/30/2002 11:26:49 AM PDT
by
sourcery
To: crystalk
Another interesting article I thought you'd like to see.
To: sourcery
Couldn't the parchment be old, but the map a forgery?
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posted on
07/30/2002 11:43:07 AM PDT
by
billybudd
To: sourcery
Now they need to officially admit that the so-called Newport Tower in Rhode Island is the cylindrical inner portion of an octagonal Norse church modeled after the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, an almost exact copy of a church in Cambridge, England, built about 1076.
These Norsemen were very devout Catholics, like Columbus. This was long before Garrison's Lutheran church suppers, with all that gooey Campbell's Mushroom soup holding everything together.
Sic transit gloria.
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posted on
07/30/2002 11:48:48 AM PDT
by
crystalk
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To: sourcery
Maybe so, Irish monks did a fair amount of scouting around long before that.
An interesting map-related factoid is that an early map, taken to be Ptolomaic, shows Cuba, and seems to be a redrawing of a much older map but done with no knowledge of map projections. The older map would have been a polar projection centered on Egypt, and would have possibly been before Phoenicians. Lot of maybes, but something is going on.
To: sourcery
So...Sven and Ole discovered America ?
To: vannrox; blam
fyi
To: RightWhale
This map sounds pretty primitive. Now, if you want a real mystery, look up the Piri Reiss map from the middle ages that shows mountain ranges, ocean troughs and other features not discovered until the 1950s.
One odd fact about this Vinland map, though, if it is genuine, is that it would be the only clear connection between America and the Roman Empire, which gave its last gasp at the Council of Basel.
To: billybudd
That's the usual method to fake an old document. Ink is harder because ink oxidizes over the years. Old ink isn't enough.
To: KellyAdmirer
The Piri Re'is map shows what appear to be land features in Antarctica. Pretty good for a Turkish Admiral 500 years ago.
To: crystalk
Newport Tower They know it is Viking, but was there originally more to it? It might be nothing more than a tower, a lookout.
To: sourcery
The Vinland map shows Greenland as an island.
A fact not known until comparatively modern times.
To: sourcery
It's high time that we rename this country "The United States of Vinland" ("USV") and celebrate "Eiriksson Day" with a National Holiday dedicated to the drinking of mass quantities of domestic sparkling wine.
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posted on
07/30/2002 12:26:10 PM PDT
by
ravinson
To: sourcery
Island of Vinland, which has been taken to represent an unknown part of present-day Labrador, Newfoundland, or Baffin Island. Text on the map reads, in part, By God's will, after a long voyage from the island of Greenland to the south toward the most distant remaining parts of the western ocean sea, sailing southward amidst the ice, the companions Bjarni and Leif Eiriksson discovered a new land, extremely fertile and even having vines, ... which island they named Vinland. Seems that things around the world were were a bit warmer, must have been the CO2 emissions from all those Viking Long Boats.
To: sourcery
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posted on
07/30/2002 1:03:46 PM PDT
by
blam
To: Notforprophet
It was the man who was always looking for the map and finally found it. Their argument was that the writing was like his and that the spacing of the lines was exactly what he used in putting lined paper behind his writing paper (apparently not done in earlier ages).
The map may be a fake. I don't know how reliable carbon dating or any "tests" are. Dow scientists made me very sceptical about tests. However, the enduring mystery is ancient maps that require accurate time pieces not yet invented...or were they? Ancient technology fascinates me. I believe unexplained technology is from the pre-Flood age, some of it existing into modern times but collapsing as man returned to barbarism.
Anyway, it's a better explanation than men from Mars.
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07/30/2002 1:16:46 PM PDT
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Chemnitz
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