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Oregon sheriff: 'We had our suspicions' (al-Qaida in Oregon)
Seattle Times ^ | July 13, 2002 | Hal Bernton, Mike Carter and David Heath

Posted on 07/13/2002 1:59:56 AM PDT by sarcasm

BLY, Ore. — This hard-knocks hamlet seems an unlikely place to search for clues to the al-Qaida terrorist network.

It sits on an arid plateau in Southern Oregon, about 50 miles east of Klamath Falls. With a population of about 250, it has a couple of cafes and small stores, an antique shop, and the razed foundation of an abandoned lumber mill.

But in late 1999, federal authorities and other sources say, the area had something far more unusual: militant Muslims scouting a ranch outside of town as a possible training camp for jihad fighters.

That aborted effort has now thrust Bly into the thick of a Seattle-based FBI and federal grand-jury investigation into al-Qaida's activities in the United States. Authorities suspect that a group of Seattle-based Muslims, mostly U.S. citizens, were operating as a "cell" in support of al-Qaida, and that opening a terrorist-training camp was part of their plans.

For about six months beginning in September 1999, Semi Osman — a cleric at a small Seattle mosque named Dar-us-Salaam — lived on the ranch, a few miles outside town. Osman is now in federal custody in Seattle, charged with immigration and weapons violations and under investigation for terror-related activities.

Sources say Osman's visitors on the Bly ranch included two members of a London mosque led by Sheik Abu Hamza al-Masri, a radical cleric believed to be an al-Qaida recruiter, and militant members of Osman's Central Area mosque. Some of the visitors rode horses and fired automatic weapons, according to people in the area.

Police began to watch the ranch closely, said Klamath County Sheriff Tim Evinger.

THE SEATTLE TIMES
"There were reports of gunfire and of a large group of suspicious, or unusual, people there," Evinger said.

Gunfire is common in rural Southern Oregon, where many residents carry arms and engage in target practice or hunting.

But this information concerned the sheriff enough that he turned it over to the FBI. He heard nothing again until after the Sept. 11 attacks, when the information gained new importance. His detectives were briefed about the federal investigation late last year, Evinger said.

"I think even before then, we had our suspicions about what this might be," he said. "You expect terrorist activity in the big cities. I think people need to realize this sort of stuff can happen anywhere."

Neighbors say Osman, now 32, kept a low profile, tooling around in a beat-up 1984 Toyota sedan and at one point commuting to Klamath Falls to work as a mechanic, according to neighbors and a former employer.

Still, he and his family got plenty of notice. In this community of bluejeans and boots, the balding, bearded Osman dressed in a tunic and skullcap. His wife, an American who converted to Islam, dressed in a long robe and headscarf in traditional Islamic fashion. A young daughter attended the local school.

Some Bly residents who knew Osman say that he was friendly and polite, and often spoke of his hopes to join the U.S. Army after he left the ranch. Osman, a naturalized British citizen with permanent U.S. residency status, was a member of the U.S. Naval Reserve.

But at least one neighbor, retired carpet layer Perry Thompson, clashed with Osman.

Thompson said Osman was a high-strung man who didn't like unexpected visitors. On two occasions, Thompson said, an armed Osman confronted him. In one of the incidents, Thompson said, Osman forced him to stop his truck by driving up from behind and parking in front of him, then he jumped out of his car, ran to his window and pointed a semiautomatic handgun at his head.

"He had all kinds of guns," Thompson said. "And he was belligerent."

HAL BERNTON / THE SEATTLE TIMES
Later residents of the Bly ranch have found spent and live ammunition from semiautomatic weapons.
A Bly tow-truck driver, Billie Livingston, also reports an unsettling visit to the ranch. Coming to jump-start a dead battery, she was surprised to find a half-dozen men, some of whom appeared foreign-born, intently watching her.

Among the men at the ranch in December 1999 were two men who federal investigators believe were sent by al-Qaida leaders to check out the ranch as a potential training camp.

The men's presence in Southern Oregon was documented in a speeding ticket issued that December in Klamath Falls. According to a source, the police officer became suspicious of the occupants of the car and checked their identification.

Later, federal agents would determine the men had arrived from Great Britain two weeks earlier.

"Those men," the source said, "were there for a bad purpose."

The two men were followers of Abu Hamza, leader of the North London Central Mosque in Finsbury Park, the heart of militant Islam in Europe.

Abu Hamza applauded the Sept. 11 attacks. His mosque had been attended by Zacarias Moussaoui, the only man charged in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, and by Richard Reid, the man accused of trying to blow up an American Airlines jetliner with explosives in his shoes.

Osman's attorney, Robert Leen, denies his client has any involvement with terrorism. Others who know Osman say that he was uncomfortable with the militancy of his visitors and that he sought to distance himself from them.

The Bly ranch had been owned by Esther Fisher Schneider, who died in August 1999 at age 82. She had moved from Washington state to Bly in the 1990s with a sheep rancher named Ivan Rule, known among Bly residents for espousing extreme right-wing political views.

The property is now listed as owned by the late Schneider and the Barraka Communal Corp., a nonprofit corporation created by Rule and an American Muslim woman who lived with him in 1999.

In February 2000, Osman and his family left the ranch. The daughter and son-in-law of neighbor Perry Thompson, Lona and Paul Azevedo, moved in. In walks on the property, the Azevedos have collected ammunition from semiautomatic and other weapons.

Rule, who no longer lives in Bly, was not available for comment. The IRS has a tax lien against him in Fremont County, Colo., in the amount of $10,041, dating from May 1994.

Lona Azevedo says she continues to pay rent to Rule through a Bly post office box, but she is not sure where he lives.

Meanwhile, yesterday in London, Abu Hamza denied any knowledge of a plot to set up a terrorist camp in Bly, or of a cell of al-Qaida supporters in Seattle.

"We have quite a good following in America, but we don't keep a structure because we are talking about principles," he told NBC.

"I have friends everywhere," he said. "When you are arresting people in America under suspicion, you might as well arrest the rest of the planet."


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1 posted on 07/13/2002 1:59:56 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: Grampa Dave
ping
2 posted on 07/13/2002 2:02:27 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm; Jeff Head; AuntB; blackie; dixiechick2000; SAMWolf; Joe Montana; tubebender; Shermy
Thank you for this ping. These Islamakazis are/have been all over rural America training to kill our families.

There are the felon black muslims recruited while in prison. Then, there are just plain racist Black Americans who hate America and White Americans who became Black Muslims. Then. there are the Middle East al Fuqra thugs/terrorists whose Pakky counterparts killed Danny Pearl to keep him doing a story that connect all of these scumbags to al Qaeda.

One of these days we will find the funding that enabled all of these scumbags to buy property and do their things came from the radical Islamakazis in Saudi Arabia.
3 posted on 07/13/2002 5:12:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: sarcasm
Wasn't Oregon one of those states that was giving the FBI a ration of you-know-what by refusing to help them investigate Arab immigrants?
4 posted on 07/13/2002 5:16:44 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: sarcasm; Clovis_Skeptic; Jim Robinson
We used to have a similiar compound for Islamakazis near Fresno. Then Clovis Skeptic started this thread. After a lot of publicity, they lost their millions of Kali Charter School funding (our tax $'s). Now the compound is closed, and these home grown Islamakazis who hate America/White Americans are some place else in America. (Why is there an Islamic Village in the foothills near Fresno?)
5 posted on 07/13/2002 5:18:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Clovis_Skeptic; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ladyinred; SierraWasp; ...
A little deja vu in Oregon this time!

Stay safe out there.

The Islamakazis are all over.
6 posted on 07/13/2002 5:25:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: mewzilla
Portland Won't Aid in Terror Roundups
7 posted on 07/13/2002 5:25:38 AM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton
Yup, thanks for the link.

Note to clueless reporter: Guess it wasn't as surprising as you think, was it?

8 posted on 07/13/2002 5:33:44 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
There may be some reason for surprise. Bly is red-zone; Portland, obnoxiously blue-zone.
9 posted on 07/13/2002 5:40:47 AM PDT by dighton
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To: mewzilla
The socialist/communist mayor of Portland, her police chief and the ASS. Chief, refused to help the FBI question these ISLAMAKAZIS. We had several threads on this last December and the early months of this year.

That pro ISLAMAKAZI no hassle behavior was adopted by most of the mayors, city councils and police chiefs in the cities which have an university in the cities through out Oregon at the later part of 2001 and the early part of this year. That creates a sanctuary for ISLAMAKAZIS.
10 posted on 07/13/2002 5:45:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/708766/posts

Militant Muslims seek Virginia base--see post 25 for background Baladullah

Grampa, these are the ones now looking for property to set up in Virginia.
11 posted on 07/13/2002 5:46:33 AM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: dennisw
ping, in case you're not on one of the lists above.
12 posted on 07/13/2002 5:49:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: mewzilla; SAMWolf; dixiechick2000
Here is another link to a great thread by SamWolf. ( Vera Katz extends a new welcome mat for the city of Portland)


13 posted on 07/13/2002 5:53:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: snippy_about_it
Thanks, I had not book marked that thread. It is now book marked.
14 posted on 07/13/2002 5:57:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
ROTFLMBO !!!......Islamakazis........Japanese muslims ?

Awesome wordsmithing right off the anvil. Thanks for the new term..... :o)

Stay Safe !

15 posted on 07/13/2002 7:43:26 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: mewzilla
Wasn't Oregon one of those states that was giving the FBI a ration of you-know-what by refusing to help them investigate Arab immigrants?

Oregon has the classic RedZone/BlueZone split. Rural Oregon is very conservative.

16 posted on 07/13/2002 7:58:26 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: sarcasm
Oregon has a history of attracting the off beat, weirdo's, liberals, and now terrorist. That's liberal Oregon for you "all is welcome, all is good" Hopefully Oregon will elect a sensible good conservative Governer this next fall. Any Oregon Voters out there. Take a look at Kevin Manix. Here are a couple of statements he has made:
Kevin will cut needless government regulation by an average of 50 percent.
He will streamline government.
He will cut the capital gains tax as one way to stimulate the economy.
He will actively invite new industry to our state bringing with them more family wage jobs.
Any new tax must be approved by the voters.
He will oppose all legislatively imposed taxes.
He will ensure that the Kicker Refund is returned to the taxpayer.
He will not allow legislators to spend their budget expectations.
He will set up a rainy day fund for hard times.

I am a volunteer worker for Kevin.
Email me if you want to get plugged into working on his campain.

17 posted on 07/13/2002 7:59:39 AM PDT by Coffee_drinker
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To: Grampa Dave
"Islamakazis"

Now that's GOOD!!!

18 posted on 07/13/2002 8:13:20 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Jack Black
Bly? This is a blink town...you blink, your past it..

However, it has a very good antique shop set up in an old gas station in the center of "town". My wife loves to browse through it when we're headed out to Lakeview. Maybe I can pick up some good arab arms next time.....
19 posted on 07/13/2002 8:16:48 AM PDT by OregonRancher
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To: Squantos
When I started using Islamakazis..., I thought about you.

I'm staying safe. I have a 6 inch fire hose connected to foam pump on my front porch, one in my car port and one on the back deck. They are connected to a natural gas generator which has a gasline powered back up generator.

If the Islamakazis attack me, I will foam them into meeting their 72 Virgins.
20 posted on 07/13/2002 8:28:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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