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Israel Gave Major Aid to Hamas
United Press International | 24 February 2001 | Richard Sale

Posted on 06/30/2002 12:46:35 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright

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To: dts32041
Looks like the islamist supporters at foggy bottom are leaking silly stories again.

Ehehehe. this thing is floating around on the Usenet, it seems, in some Arab-America smooch groups. Posted by some "sami@somewhere-or-other".

The story also seems to be flogged for what it's worth on "whatreallyhappened.com", Rivero's malevolent little crackpot hideout&madrassa.

21 posted on 06/30/2002 2:29:30 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Austin Willard Wright
1. Why are you posting stories from a year and a half ago? This is hardly "breaking news."

2. The U.S. supported the Taliban during the Soviet-Afghan war.

Your point is......?

22 posted on 06/30/2002 2:33:11 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
My point? This is yet another example of Blow Back. I notice that you didn't dispute the facts in the story.

As someone who enjoys reading about possible lessons history, I wasn't bothered by the fact that the story was published last year. It now seems more timely than ever. Why were you bothered?

One you have had a similar reaction to a story about World War II. After all, that was more than fifty years ago!

Cheers, AWW

23 posted on 06/30/2002 2:38:16 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Cachelot
I'm all ears. How is the story wrong factually? BTW, some of the pro-Israel folks on this thread seem to be conceding its accuracy. Do you feel otherwise and, if so, why?
24 posted on 06/30/2002 2:39:22 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: LarryLied
Thanks
25 posted on 06/30/2002 2:40:02 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
My point? This is yet another example of Blow Back.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

26 posted on 06/30/2002 2:40:16 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Well, that worked out well now didn't it?

PS: I am not too keen on all the unnamed sources and stuff. If you are going to drop a bombshell like this it should be easily verifiable.

27 posted on 06/30/2002 2:41:27 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Well....I tried but the UPI search engine is a piece of garbarge. If you think the story is bogus, I would love to hear your evidence. It is instructive, however, that since this story appeared last year, nobody has made such a claim.
28 posted on 06/30/2002 2:45:21 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
If you think the story is bogus, I would love to hear your evidence.

I read an article somewhere that Austin Willard Wright is a wife beater and a child molester. If you think the story is bogus, I would love to hear your evidence.

29 posted on 06/30/2002 2:48:23 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Austin Willard Wright
This is old news.
30 posted on 06/30/2002 2:49:13 PM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: steve50
So yes, given the choice I would mind my own business and let the Afganis/Russians settle their own problems. Might be 3,000 Americans and a couple buildings still around.

If Clinton had not been elected in 1992, the WTC towers would still be standing.

America defeated the Red Army in Afghanistan. In large part, that is why over 400 million people are freed from Soviet tyranny today. Our CIA and Reagan should be hailed as heros, not critized.

I know the temptation is great to defend Israel by saying "America did it too!" but what we did is not comparable to what Israel did.

31 posted on 06/30/2002 2:56:35 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Austin Willard Wright

No, no, no.. I don't mean you should verify it personally.

When I said you shouldn't drop a bombshell with dubious sources I meant the UPI.

Honestly, allot of this is really nothing more than their say so at this point. I agree it's possible, but then again it might be a smear campaign also.

I would like to see more names.

32 posted on 06/30/2002 2:57:43 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: DreamWeaver
This is old news.

Ever since 9/11, I've had the feeling I'm in Ann Lewis/Sidney Blumenthal Land when reading these Israel threads.

33 posted on 06/30/2002 2:59:58 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
We funded and trained the same Muslim terrorists in Afganistan that later went to Serbia to cause the Balkan War, after that they turned on us. You think thousands of Kosovar/Serbian and American lives were worth it to embaress the Russians in that h3ll hole. I don't agree, the whole country isn't worth 3,000 American lives
34 posted on 06/30/2002 3:05:33 PM PDT by steve50
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To: DreamWeaver
Old news...so what? The lessons of history don't yellow with age and right now this story couldn't be more timely. If you think the story is wrong, please provide some evidence.
35 posted on 06/30/2002 3:18:08 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I'm all ears

I'm sure you are.

Do you feel otherwise and, if so, why?

Let's just say that I'm not much impressed by the "multiple sources" in this story, nor with the fact that UPI were said to have "aquired documents" about early Hamas history (which seemed to be sort of irrelevant). Nor am I much impressed with the fact that ths story, such as it is, is to be found on no reputable news outlets but on scores of your (and Mr. Lied's) garden variety nazi, holocoust-denial and history revisionist sites, something that usually means that something is very, very rotten.

But hey, I'll go track down the life history of Sale guy. And Cordesman. Nothing like making sure :)).

36 posted on 06/30/2002 3:24:30 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
The story may be false...but Richard Sale seems legit. Of course, one would expect the story to be posted on anti-Israeli websites but that is to be expected. In any case, I would curious to see the counter evidence.
37 posted on 06/30/2002 3:27:59 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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but Richard Sale seems legit

You mean, "there is an actual person by that name". What that means for the story is basically nothing. A non-existent link and a post on Usenet by one "sami" a year and a half ago?

What is far more significant is that all the versions I've found of this story, on examination, is just Sale's story. And Sale is leaning on Cordesman, who is saying that he believes that this happened. I can see no corroborating and verifiable evidence of any kind. Add to that that Cordesman seems to be something of a darling of the washington-report, another rabid antisemitic outfit.

If the story was true you would see lots of coverage of this thing, by real sources, long ago. Instead it's the kook chorus. As on uhmma.com and antiwar.com and worse.

But of course we'll now see FreeRepublic spammed with a barrage of this thing, since it seems to be the newest project. How many times have you posted this article yourself??

38 posted on 06/30/2002 3:50:30 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Oh, and a little more on Richard Sale. This critter seems to be a regular guy on WCOTC and hoffman-info. And he seems to have the same obsessions as LarryLied.

How odd :)).

39 posted on 06/30/2002 4:00:44 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: LarryLied
>>>Ever since 9/11, I've had the feeling I'm in Ann Lewis/Sidney Blumenthal Land when reading these Israel threads.

This is Conservative website. Not many Ann Lewis or Sidney Bluementhal fans here. Unless of course this is just another of your attempts to slime Jewish Republicans and or Republicans who support Israel. Is it?

40 posted on 06/30/2002 5:15:43 PM PDT by vance
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