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Posted on 06/27/2002 10:59:34 AM PDT by Pokey78
Shock and outrage greeted the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal’s decision yesterday to ban the Pledge of Allegiance from public schools.
Even liberal Democrats in Congress have voiced their disappointment.
While it is satisfying to see the almost universal support for keeping God in the Pledge, it must be noted that the Court’s decision is part of a long and successful effort by secularists and leftists to ban God from the public square.
Think twice then, if you believe this decision will be easily overturned by the Supreme Court.
Already, decades ago, the Courts, including the Supreme Court, successfully banned prayer, or even a moment of silence, from public schools.
I remember widespread public anger at some of those decisions, with a lot of smoke coming from Congress about Constitutional amendments, etc.
How far we have come?
Some years ago I poked through a high school textbook that had been printed in the 1950s. It was used in the New York City Schools as a civics textbook.
One chapter of the book discussed American law, and began by saying that the Judaic Ten Commandments were the basis of all American and Western jurisprudence. I dare you find that in an American high school textbook today, though it is undeniably true.
Today, the leftists have even successfully banned the Ten Commandments from public buildings and court houses around the nation.
Why do they find the Ten Commandments so troublesome?
Perhaps it’s the commandment that demands that one cannot covet another’s property – a principle that has affirmed private property rights and is the basis for limited government and capitalism.
Some years ago, Clarence Thomas noted that when we threw God out of the public schools, other things, like drugs, violence and worse took His place.
We also know that nations that have banned God have suffered.
In the name of a Godless humanity, Nazi Germany, communist Russia, and Red China murdered more people last century than all of the casualties from all the wars of history combined.
Americans are right when they worry about an America without God.
We are also right to worry about this court ruling.
Just over a decade ago, the Supreme Court shocked Americans by saying it was OK for Americans to burn American flags. They said it was guaranteed by the Constitutional right to "free speech.”
The decision was followed by similar public outrage, with all sorts of promises by Congress to protect the flag, including a Constitutional amendment.
More than ten years later, we're still waiting.
Some of us are still baffled as to where the Constitution provides for citizens to light fires in public demonstrations, or to desecrate the country’s national symbol.
Perhaps, we will also find it equally baffling to live in a nation that no longer allows us to utter the word "God."
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Another thing is 3,500 years of Western Civilization had uses the Commndments as a cornerstone. Remember the cheer, "Yo-ho Western Civ has got to go"?
Different court, Mr. Ruddy. I know you think it behooves you to point out the cloud instead of the silver lining so that you can continue to shill for your magazine, but the fact is MOST of us see this, coupled with the SC ruling this morning supporting continuation of "voucher" programs, as a grand opportunity to turn the wheel back just a little.
Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule For this great nation under God Finds mention of Him very odd.
If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a Federal matter now.
Our hair can be purple, orange or green, That's no offense; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.
For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state.
We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible. To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong, We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.
We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd.
It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen
Will anyone hear her plea? Malcontents, politicians and liberals have sacked all education and anything remotely traditional in their headlong dash for Marxism! I pray to God, in his many names, to come to the aid of those who are so determined to keep him out of this contry.
Yeah, that's the liberals' opposite amendment to the second amendment.
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 Address
IMPEACH THE RASCALS! ROUTE THE VIPERS OUT!
For all the arguments of personal responsibility, I can never understand why a person can't pray or pledge their flag on their own time.
Most courts had taken "so help me God" out of their swearing in oaths years ago.
Few noticed.
Even fewer made so much as a peep about it.
Every time the U.S. Constitution uses the word "oath," it adds "or affirmation," so that people who didn't want to swear to God could take an oath of office, swear in court, etc.
Guess it's only matter of time before they revamp the Seal on the 9th Circuit Court that boldly displays the Holy Tablets.
Wonder if the nitwits on that daffy San Franciso bench have ever really examined the symbol under which they dish out there heavy spew of hyper-liberal anti-American and anti-religious decisions?
Petition to the President of the United States and Members of Congress
I speak as an American citizen. The recent decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco where the Pledge of Allegiance was ruled Unconstitutional is an attack on America by way of the legal system. We are indeed "One Nation Under God."To declare that anyone who pledges allegiance to the Flag of our Country is breaking the law is to declare the President of the United States and every member of Congress to be law breakers.
It has become abundantly clear that the two judges that voted for this must be impeached and removed from office. Please use the authority that you have been invested with and immediately vote to impeach judges Stephen Reinhardt and Alfred Goodwin.
To sign the Petition, click HERE.
The term 'God has been banned' is used metaphorically.
An individual retains his/her right to free religious exercise.
Stating the obvious.
What some here tend to forget is that the right to practice one's religion is not a right held by the government. Government schools have no right of free practice of religion.
What some here also tend to forget is that almost every American believes in some version of God and to use His name within a brief pledge of allegiance does not in any way constitute an 'establishment of religion' nor is it a 'practice of religion' by the school. Those arguments are absurd on their face and the fact that a few looney left-coast judges opted to pretend that saying 'God' in a teacher-led pledge was a practice of religion is offensive - and wrong.
No child is forced to say 'Under God' or even to recite the pledge, for that matter and too bad if that makes them 'feel different'.
This latter day tyranny of the tiny minority deciding what the overwhelming majority can say and do in a public place, to the point where we may be prohibited from uttering the Pledge of Allegiance because it contains the words 'Under God' is really too much and should not be upheld. It's a twisted distortion of the constitutional prohibition of the establishment clause and it's wrong.
It's high time to tell the atheists, humanists and Marxists that the game of using our constitution to remove the very name of 'God' from the public arena is over, at last. Enough.
It doesn't work that way. Cases are randomly assigned to a panel of three judges. If the losing side asks the full court to overrule the panel, then a vote is taken of all the active judges to decide if the full court will re-hear the case. Interestingly, the judge who wrote this decision is a "senior" (semi-retired) judge, not an "active" judge, so he won't even be able to vote on the rehearing.
My bet is that re-hearing will be granted, and the decision will be overturned by the full court.
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