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'You are not to reference the Constitution ... '
LVRJ ^ | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 06/25/2002 10:18:24 AM PDT by Sir Gawain

Sunday, June 23, 2002
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

COLUMN: Vin Suprynowicz

'You are not to reference the Constitution ... '



Protesting a Denver ordinance against bearing arms, business owner and Libertarian U.S. Senate candidate Rick Stanley late last year strapped on a hip holster bearing a .380 Beretta (fellow protester Duncan Philp chose a shoulder rig) during a Dec. 15 rally celebrating the 210th anniversary of the Bill of Rights.

He'd advertised what he was going to do and invited Denver police to come get him. They did. He was peacefully arrested by 18 officers, and brought to trial on May 15 in the municipal court of Judge Robert L. Patterson.

It was defense attorney Paul Grant's voir dire questioning of a potential juror who was also a police officer that gave the first indication of the way things were going to go in Judge Patterson's courtroom.

"I asked her when you became a police officer didn't you take an oath to protect and defend the constitutions of the United States and the state of Colorado. She said, 'I guess I did; I can't remember.' I asked her were you ever instructed in those constitutional rights, and she said no.

"Then I asked her, if the judge were to instruct you that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the defendant a right to keep and bear arms, do you think you could follow his instructions?"

Stanley describes "pandemonium" erupting in the Denver courtroom halfway through his attorney's question, the city attorney leaping to his feet to object as the judge banged his gavel.

Dismissing the prospective jurors for lunch, Judge Patterson began to lecture Grant, instructing him, according to both Grant's recollection and Stanley's, "I already sent you an order in this case. The order has been mailed to your offices. You are not to mention the Constitution during this proceeding. Do you understand?"

Grant replied that he did not.

The defendant and his attorney report that the judge said, "Then I'll explain it again. You are not to reference the Constitution in these proceedings. You will not address it in voir dire, you will not address it in your opening remarks, you will not ask any questions about the Constitution when you summon your witnesses, and you will not talk about the Constitution when you give your closing arguments. Do you understand my instructions?"

A jury of five women and one man -- not including the cop -- was finally seated. Grant then presented to the judge (he was not allowed to make this argument to the jury) the affirmative defense that both the Second Amendment and the Constitution of Colorado, Article II, protect the defendant's right to keep and bear arms, citing a Colorado Supreme Course as a controlling precedent.

But Judge Patterson rejected that defense argument along with all others, replying (according to Grant, Stanley and another witness) that precedents of the Colorado Supreme Court and even the Constitution of Colorado are not applicable in Denver, because Denver is a home-rule city.

After closing arguments, MIT graduate David Bryant, who serves as public information director for the Libertarian Party of Colorado and also as Stanley's campaign treasurer, approached Assistant City Attorney Paul Puckett to see if he could clarify his understanding of Judge Patterson's remarks.

"As I understand it," Bryant recalls saying to Puckett, "Judge Patterson just said that because I live in Denver, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of Colorado do not protect any of my rights from the government of Denver. Is that your understanding? Is the city government free to deny all the rights secured to me by the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of Colorado, so long as they only do it here, in Denver?"

"Yes," Bryant claims he was told by Puckett. "The Constitution has no force or effect in Denver, because this is a home rule city."

Reached at his office in Denver, Mr. Puckett responds: "Unfortunately the judge didn't say that, nor did I. Those were the words of Mr. Bryant, who reported them in his, whatever, on the Internet, not a very unbiased observer. What I did tell him in the courtroom was that Denver, as a home-rule city, has a right to pass reasonable regulations on the carrying of weapons. That's under their home-rule status and the constitution of the state of Colorado, and I referred him to a recent court of appeals case finding that ordinance constitutional. But no, the rest of it is fiction."

(Judge Patterson did not return my calls.)

Rick Stanley's jury reached a unanimous "guilty" verdict after deliberating one hour. Stanley could face a $999 fine and up to a year in jail at sentencing, now scheduled for July 25. Stanley says he'll appeal.

The statists currently running our legal system will insist this is the way things are supposed to go, of course -- if there's any constitutional problem with the victim disarmament statute it'll be decided at the appellate level, years from now, assuming Stanley and co-defendant Philp can afford the tens of thousands of dollars necessary to get that far.

But that's pernicious nonsense. What other constitutional rights could be violated so blatantly, and with such impunity? If the Denver City Council passed an ordinance banning Presbyterian sermons within city limits; or free speech by anyone but Republicans (and then only on Tuesdays from noon to 3), would Judge Patterson sit there and simper, "I have no choice but to enforce the law as written. The defendant was clearly caught conducting a Presbyterian religious service within the city limits"?

I don't think so. I think it's just our gun rights.

To contribute to the appeals fund, send checks to attorney Paul Grant "for the defense of Rick Stanley and Duncan Philp" at 6426 S. Quebec St., Englewood, Colo. 80111.

Vin Suprynowicz, the Review-Journal's assistant editorial page editor, is author of "The Ballad of Carl Drega." His column appears Sunday.


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1 posted on 06/25/2002 10:18:24 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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2 posted on 06/25/2002 10:19:14 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
His biggest mistake was not voting with his feet.
3 posted on 06/25/2002 10:21:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
There's only so many places you can run from tyrants and statists. I for one applaud him for his bold effort to stand up to tyranny instead of tucking his tail and running.
4 posted on 06/25/2002 10:25:03 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: Sir Gawain
Business as usual in the USA.
6 posted on 06/25/2002 10:26:51 AM PDT by Khepera
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7 posted on 06/25/2002 10:29:07 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: shigure
Country, my foot. Move to the Appalachians. We don't play that socialist crap. Let the sheep have their own pasture if they want it.
8 posted on 06/25/2002 10:29:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: mvpel
I wonder about the exact wording of the judge's order.
9 posted on 06/25/2002 10:29:29 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: Sir Gawain
"Stanley and another witness) that precedents of the Colorado Supreme Court and even the Constitution of Colorado are not applicable in Denver, because Denver is a home-rule city."

What is this all about?

10 posted on 06/25/2002 10:29:58 AM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: AppyPappy
The Constitution applies to all Americans, not just ones in parts of the country that you happen to like. This guy deserves credit for pushing the issue.
11 posted on 06/25/2002 10:30:10 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
In the interest of full disclosure Mr. Stanley the Libertarian candidate also has stated that the current and conservative Republican Senator from Colorado should be hung for voting for the Patriot Act.

Mr. Stanley, IMHO, is your typical bombastic Libertarian.

12 posted on 06/25/2002 10:35:11 AM PDT by Dane
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To: PoppingSmoke
Its a misrepresentation of the prosecutor's argument.
13 posted on 06/25/2002 10:35:22 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Sir Gawain
Wonder if Denver has the right to pass reasonable rules permitting the ownership of slaves.
14 posted on 06/25/2002 10:38:09 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Sir Gawain
Ah, Vin. You're getting most of your information from a press release from Rick Stanley's wretchedly, horribly, and ridiculously-run Senatorial campaign.

The problem here is not so much Stanley's stance on that particular law, but instead his sophomoric approach to challenging it. He apparently sought to duplicate the Hank Reardan courtroom scene from Atlas Shrugged, but instead showed us all why libertarians can't get elected.

There are grown-up ways to address laws like this. This wasn't one of them.

As for the courtroom scene itself, the attorney attempted to make a Federal case in a county courtroom. Not smart -- a county criminal court has no business questioning the Constitutionality of an established city ordinance.

BTW, Mr. Duncan Philp was a FReeper for about a week. If his FR antics are any indication, Stanley's troupe of clowns must have tried to make the courtroom into a zoo. (Philp was banned for being a disruptive idiot on the Colorado board.)

BTW: A week after Stanley's conviction he decided the best campaign strategy was to speak as a featured guest at Denver's "Taste of Marijuana" rally.

By acting like a complete fool, Stanley has damaged a worthy cause (gun rights) very badly, by cementing in the public mind that the LP is the party of dopers and wild-eyed gun nuts.

15 posted on 06/25/2002 10:38:34 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: B Knotts
Unfortunately for him, the Constitution does not give him the right to carry and use those arms as he sees fit which is why you can't blast a machine gun down the middle of Main Street. Localities can make adjustments (like Conceal Carry),
16 posted on 06/25/2002 10:39:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: mvpel
I for one applaud him for his bold effort to stand up to tyranny instead of tucking his tail and running.

Stanley's an idiot who has done far more harm than good with his campaign of stunts.

Now anybody in Denver who's interested in firearms rights must first clear the "whackjob" hurdle set up by Stanley and his childish little group.

17 posted on 06/25/2002 10:41:11 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: shigure
AppyPappy is one of the alleged "conservatives" who seem to hold the opinion that gooberment can do no wrong unless you can get a court to rule that way. If gooberment passes an edict it's up to YOU to prove it wrong, instead of gooberment proving it not only has the authority (SPECIFICALLY granted under the Constitution) but the moral justification for passing some bit of legislation (which is how it SHOULD be and how the Founders intended it to be).

That's the AppyPappy way of life. I suspect he's a sad specimen. (At least one can hope!)
18 posted on 06/25/2002 10:44:02 AM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: PoppingSmoke
Article XX of the Constitution of Colorado:

Section 6. Home rule for cities and towns. The people of each city or town of this state, having a population of two thousand inhabitants as determined by the last preceding census taken under the authority of the United States, the state of Colorado or said city or town, are hereby vested with, and they shall always have, power to make, amend, add to or replace the charter of said city or town, which shall be its organic law and extend to all its local and municipal matters.

Such charter and the ordinances made pursuant thereto in such matters shall supersede within the territorial limits and other jurisdiction of said city or town any law of the state in conflict therewith.

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It is the intention of this article to grant and confirm to the people of all municipalities coming within its provisions the full right of self­government in both local and municipal matters and the enumeration herein of certain powers shall not be construed to deny such cities and towns, and to the people thereof, any right or power essential or proper to the full exercise of such right.

The statutes of the state of Colorado, so far as applicable, shall continue to apply to such cities and towns, except insofar as superseded by the charters of such cities and towns or by ordinance passed pursuant to such charters.


It would appear that the home rule provisions of the Constitution apply only to "any law of the state," or "the statutes of the state of Colorado." This home-rule provision doesn't supersede the Constitution of the State, nor does it supersede the Constitution of the United States.

The Colorado Constitution reads:

Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.


19 posted on 06/25/2002 10:45:45 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: AppyPappy
I wasn't aware that he had fired the weapon.
20 posted on 06/25/2002 10:46:01 AM PDT by B Knotts
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