Has anyone been involved in a large .net installation?

[gitmo]

I am trying to find some examples of large implementations of .net development. Since .net is barely out of the cradle, I would like to find someone who has actually implemented this technology in a company. Can anyone help?

[CJ Wolf]

what is .net?

[chance33_98]

I have done small installs, best friend is a .net developer full time though - will send him the posting (he is a regular on FR)

[arthurus]

Contact the folks at:

http://www.getconnected.com

GetConnected.com is a company that can answer .net questions or refer you to someone who can.

[stainlessbanner]

just local installs - one machine takes a long time, I know that.

[upchuck]

Is .net a bunch of smoke, mirrors and vaporware?

[zx2dragon]

Still working on it where I am at. We have one DB person since the layoffs and he's a bit overworked.

From what little I have talked to him, he seems rather impressed with .Net.

[Dominic Harr]

I've been trying to get the same information for a while, and haven't found any details about a successful implementation.

PatrioticAmerican claimed he had knowledge of one, tho he wouldn't give me details. Maybe he'll be more forthcoming with you?

I've played with .NET, built a few tools in C#, and a small 'Jeapordy' game for the Director of QA to use in classes.

It's okay, but really not quite ready for prime-time, in my estimation. There are quite a few issues to be worked out.

But it's nice, and a major improvement over previous MS technologies -- altho it's about 2 years behind Java, and falling fast . . .

[Britton J Wingfield]

We just signed on as a beta site. Any specific questions?

Admin-related scripting has been beefed up greatly. That's my favorite part.

[Rum Tum Tugger]

I am trying to find some examples of large implementations of .net development.

You must define what you mean by ".net development".

Are you referring to the creation of ASP.NET Web Applications. Are you referring to the creation of XML Web Services. Be specific.

The Microsoft .NET web site lists examples of large companies that have implemented .NET applications. Take a look there.

My company is in the process of creating an XML Web Service that is a middle-tier business/data object designed to provide data handling and data integrity functionality. It can access any kind of backend database and can be called by any client application that can call an XML Web Service. It makes accessing data much easier than ADO.NET. It exchanges data with clients using XML and SOAP. We expect to release it in August.

.NET is not smoke and mirrors. It's way cool.

[Bush2000]

Check out http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/casestudies/default.asp

[Bush2000]

Check out http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/productinfo/casestudies/default.asp

[LibertineR]

Let me second your comments.

.NET is way cool, and in no way 2 years behind Java, as someone mentioned above. My company is moving all of our applications to .NET to take advantage of ADO.NET and removing all data-bound connection strings from our code.

We are also moving to XML to store all data, and taking advantage of WebForms, along with BizTalk and Commerce Server to move our legacy mainframe information to SQL Server.

From what I understand, there have been many benchmarks published showing C# to be 2 to 5 times faster than Java, but both are great languages, and a pleasure to work with compared to C++.

I guess it comes down to your choice of platforms between using the .NET Framework or J2EE. Both are fine and can do the job, but from a IDE perspective, nothing matches VS.NET on any platform in my opinion.

[Bush2000]

.NET is way cool, and in no way 2 years behind Java, as someone mentioned above. My company is moving all of our applications to .NET to take advantage of ADO.NET and removing all data-bound connection strings from our code.

Harr is desperate to believe his own propaganda. Too bad it doesn't jibe with reality. ;-)

[LibertineR]

I see.

Do you know this person? Their point looks like something I might see on Slashdot. I don't know how anyone could say that .NET isnt ready for primetime.

I don't remember anyone talking about Web Services in a serious way until .NET came along. The main reason I like .NET is that I will be able to write COBOL in the IDE to deal with our legacy system right along side C#.

I dont think any other vendor is offering anything like that, so .NET will probably dominate as VS has done for so long.

[Centurion2000]

Good luck.

[Bush2000]

I see. Do you know this person?

Not personally. But he's left his slime trail on enough of these threads that we're all familiar with his misdeeds.

Their point looks like something I might see on Slashdot. I don't know how anyone could say that .NET isnt ready for primetime.

He has a vested interest in Java and doesn't want to see it disappear; otherwise, his gravy train comes to a halt and he has to be retrained.

I don't remember anyone talking about Web Services in a serious way until .NET came along.

They didn't. Sun has come late to the party and wants to retrofit Java with Web Services capability.

The main reason I like .NET is that I will be able to write COBOL in the IDE to deal with our legacy system right along side C#.

Although you are the first .NET COBOL developer I've ever spoken to, I appreciate the benefit of leveraging familiar programming tools.

I dont think any other vendor is offering anything like that, so .NET will probably dominate as VS has done for so long.

I agree. Thanks for the response.

[PatrioticAmerican]

Today I saw a truck with an "Eiffel" (sp?) sticker. I yelled, ".NET?", and he nodded, "Yep. Can ya believe it?" I don’t know if he really is using Eiffel, but the sticker was cool. It went to show that .NET isn't a single language like Java and J2EE is. So far, there are over a dozen languages available for it, and most are NOT from Microsoft! And yeah, LibertineR is the first COBOLer I have heard of. COBOL on a new platform is way cool! Try that one, Sun!

And, no Harr, I won't be giving you detiails on our implementation. You'll just have to wait for the press release like everyone else. Besides, Harr, you work for a competitor to my company, so why give you inside info?

[gitmo]

Some people asked what it is I'm trying to do. I am working on a project for a Fortune 500 company. This will involve a database of about 2-3 million rows, with maintenance by about 1000 people. It is a mission-critical app.

We have designed our database, and are debating whether to take the proven J2EE route, or whether to develop this in .net.

We plan to have a 3 tier architecture, so theoretically either approach should work. The .net approach is presumeably faster development and the size of our app should work well on Win2000 or on Sun.

So where are we now: We would like to find a few examples of large installations of .net apps. We've studied the MS case studies, but are looking for other examples. I would like to know what pitfalls they encountered and what lessons they learned.

[gitmo]

My company is in the process of creating an XML Web Service that is a middle-tier business/data object designed to provide data handling and data integrity functionality. It can access any kind of backend database and can be called by any client application that can call an XML Web Service. It makes accessing data much easier than ADO.NET. It exchanges data with clients using XML and SOAP. We expect to release it in August.

This sounds exactly like what we're planning. We're considering a SQLserver database, an application server and a web server, with data interchanges from legacy apps via XML & SOAP. We'll also use Data Junction for data transformations where needed. It will need to interchange with Oracle apps (JAVA), and with VSAM COBOL apps.

I would love to hear what your impressions were about development in the .net IDE, what surprises were there, how was MS support, and how long that would have taken in a J2EE environment. Also, how about the reliability of the .net environment?