Do not bother to reply to any of Asmodeus' posts. He puts them up so he can waste FR bandwidth with his pet theory.
Regarless of how carefully you refute his errors, misconceptions, and outright lies, he will ignore you and paste a multi-colored pastiche of obfuscation and dare anyone to prove negatives. NOTHING will get past his preconceived opinion of what happened. In his world ALL of the witnesses did not see what they reported they DID see... irregardless that unrelated accounts trangulate to the same places.
Ignore him.
Witness Fred "Fritz" Meyer reportedly says "I suspect that Bill Donaldson was murdered."
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From: John Fiorentino
Date: June 13, 2002
Well, we've certainly deep ended it now haven't we? Cmdr. Donaldson was murdered? Yes, we have now entered the Twilight Zone of conspiracy. we have our first subject to add to the "mysterious deaths" list. The Kennedy assassination has one, and now so do we. What we really have here is an abomination. A giant mass of absurd speculation and rumor mongering. Add an ounce or two of specious interpretation of evidence, then a dash of intrigue, shake briskly, now turn the whole damn thing 30 degrees counter-clockwise and wallah!
Is it any wonder people avoid this subject like the plague? What a pile of doodoo. My condolences go out to Bob Donaldson who is forced to endure this trash. If you butt cracks want to smoke some dope and BS, that's your business. This garbage has no place in this investigation. The choice is yours, an honest search for the truth or a trip down Alice's rabbit hole.
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From: ACE1HIIGH
Date: June 12, 2002
Subject: Re: [twa800] Fritz
In a message dated 6/12/2002 6:31:23 PM Central Daylight Time, rsavage@nycap.rr.com writes:
Can you fill us in on what's happening with the Sanders.
No problem, Rick: Talked to him about three weeks ago, and as I stated, am going down sometime around the last of June.
Liz is currently doing contract corporate flight attendant work, and is quite busy. She's been off probation for about a year, now.
Jim is recuperating from a serious medical problem, working on his latest book, (tentatively to be released in September) and bouncing back and forth between New York and Florida as needed in the ongoing civil case against the feds.
I intend to ask him if Donaldson's death appears to him to possibly be under circumstances other than what has been reported.
In all honesty, Fritz spooked the h*** out of me.
I ran Elmer's current sorry attempt to discredit the eyewitnesses by demeaning his (Meyer's) description of the events of 7/17/96 by him. Elmer is using a snip from the NTSB witness group thusly on Free Republic:
If he's so unflappable and KNOWS that he saw a missile shoot down TWA 800, how do you explain his following statement while being interviewed by an NTSB Witness Group?
I saw a streak of light in the sky. I have no idea what it was. And my reaction when I saw it was, what the hell is that?
Fritz reply, "TYPO, I saw a streak of light in the sky. I HAD no idea what it was. Hell"
Yeah, Fritz. Me too.
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:23:19 -0500 ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Fiorentino"
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:31:35 -0400
j: Well, we've certainly deep ended it now haven't we?
s: No. That was my initial reaction too, BTW, John.
j: Cmdr. Donaldson was murdered?..............Yes, we have now entered the Twilight Zone of conspiracy.........we have our first subject to add to the "mysterious deaths" list. The Kennedy assassination has one, and now so do we.
s: Worse than that, John. Meyer said the number of mysterious deaths, X, was not one but two. You forgot Jeremy Crocker. I am convinced the feds bumped him off. The feds were in a frenzy during that time period. I think it was triggered by the ATC tape. The election. And Meyer's defection as their TV 'spokesman.' Damn you, Dick Russell! <g> That's when I instantly decided to 'retire' from Dahlgren Division of NAVSEA, BTW. What luck! What relief. I'm still afraid to go on any military base.
s: X>2, Fred. I need a good lawyer.
j: What we really have here is an abomination. A giant mass of absurd speculation and rumor mongering. Add an ounce or two of specious interpretation of evidence, then a dash of intrigue..........shake briskly...........now turn the whole damn thing 30 degrees counter-clockwise...........and wallah!
s: The above paragraph is the abomination, IMO. I think Bill Donaldson was my favorite, next to Gary, on this exercise. Meyer and Nibert are probably tied for third. Bill Donaldson was convinced it was terrorist. I thought that silly but, like Sanders, felt I understood why Bill thought the way he did. The medical answer is the navy was a father figure to him and therefore could do no wrong. And Bill was a pure soul. The two conflicted and 'the ship hit the sand.' I suffered the same problem to a lesser extent once. I think Gary believes it's an engine cowling, along with Jim Knowles. We have had a 747 cowling fall off in LA since '96. I'm pretty sure I'm on the same wavelength with Meyer and Nibert on the cause of this tragedy. And we have many victims on the navy side of the house besides Donaldson as well.
s: My initial thought on Bill's death is his life was shortened by the navy's brutal and blatant coverup. My shrink, as fine a man as I've ever met, died of 'cancer' like Bill, but all of his professional associates (large firm in Ft. Walton) claimed Eglin AFB killed him. He was treating about 50 dissenters (whistleblowers) at any one time from Eglin. My belief on his death is his life was shortened also because of Eglin, but 'cancer' killed both Commander Bill and Dr. Gill. It's a complex medical problem beyond our scope, but the problem is it is the policy of the US government to kill dissenters who interfere on ultra high cost matters - pure and simple. It's simply considered good business. And they have a point - to everyone who does not hold human life sacred. TWA800 is an ideal example. That's from medical doctors who have to treat these noble dissenters made 'vegetables' by their own government.&nb! sp; Perhaps we shouldn't drill into our kids, "DO THE RIGHT THING." It could be hazardous to their health later.
Trying to differentiate between suicide and murder is a matter for professional criminologists. I was getting help from these types until they got scared off - like the medical types. An interesting example is the top exec at ENRON who 'mysteriously' committed suicide right before he was going to blow the whistle. Remember that one (not publicized much)? He blew his brains out in the turn lane driving home. After my criminologist stopped laughing, he told me you don't commit suicide in the turn lane in rush hour traffic going home. It could disrupt traffic. <g> You are most vulnerable, however, for 'assistance.' Where were the conspiracy mongers on this one, John? I think it's healthy to question all deaths of people in the heat of battle with the feds. Had we done so on ENRON, we coulda nailed some fat cats who wiped out so many working people's retirement.
s: It reminds me of the civil rights worker's body found in Mississippi in the sixties with 37 bullet holes in him. The High Sheriff said it was the worst case of suicide they'd ever had. <g>
J: Is it any wonder people avoid this subject like the plague?
s: The reason knowledgeable people on twa800 avoid this subject like the plague is fear of their own government and people. Dissent is the plague. I haven't decided yet whether I should put you in the 'knowledgeable people category' or not, John. <g>
j: What a pile of doodoo.
j: My condolences go out to Bob Donaldson who is forced to endure this trash.
s: Mine too, and to his son. As a minimum, I feel both realize how it changed Bill by driving his blood pressure up. They don't call that the 'silent killer' for nothing.
j: If you butt cracks want to smoke some dope and BS......that's your business. This garbage has no place in this investigation.
j: The choice is yours...........an honest search for the truth......or a trip down Alice's rabbit hole.
s: I admit there's only four honest lawyers in the country, but Meyer is one of the four. That's his damn problem! <g> Like Bill. I'll learn you yet on twa800, John. Even if I have to write your book for you. <g> That book-to-be is as important to me and the rest of us as it is to you. Stan
"It is better to be rich and happy than to be poor and sick." David Wolpert
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From: amartsmart
Date: June 13, 2002
Subject: "COMMANDER DONALDSON'S VIEW (on Navy ships in the area on July 17, 1996...")
Dear Friends: If one goes to the "www.TWA800.com" web-site, AND SCROLLS DOWN TO "WARNING AREAS" and then if one reads what Commander Donaldson, himself, the FORMER COMMANDER OF THE ENTIRE U.S. NAVY, (I think!; somebody correct me please, if I am not correct about this...); HAD TO SAY ABOUT THIS QUESTION; one will read that the former U.S. Navy Commander himself had to say: which was (paraphrased); go to all web-sites included in this paragraph and pay particular attention to the last line...perhaps one of the last statements that the Commander uttered: (concerning the radar layout of any SHIPS in the vicinity that night)....."(COMMANDER DONALDSON BELIEVES THE RADAR COULD JUST HAVE EASILY BEEN SPORTS FISHERMEN AND NOTHING MORE...YOU DECIDE!!!". CONCLUSION ALL NAVY WARNING AREAS FOR THAT NIGHT DO NOT RELATE ANY TYPE OF NAVY EXERCISES IN THE AREA...." THEORY ONLY/ANNE. |