Posted on 05/26/2002 2:59:59 AM PDT by colette_g
Mass Deaths In Bus Inferno
At least 65 people were killed in northern India when a bus carrying a wedding party hit a high voltage cable and burst into flames.
A police spokesman said the disaster occurred when bicycles on the bus roof became entangled in wires hanging over the road.
"The bus's roof was piled high with bicycles which snared an overhead high-tension cable and then the bus caught fire, killing 50 people on the spot," he said.
A senior official said the victims were part of a wedding party on its way to the bride's home.
Survivors
"Some of the passengers were electrocuted while others were burnt alive," said Uttar Pradesh Home Secretary Anil Kumar.
A further 10 people died in hospital, while some of the 80 passengers managed to escape the flames.
Among the survivors were the bride and groom, who were travelling in a separate vehicle. They were later treated for shock.
The tragedy happened about 90 miles from Lucknow, the northern Indian state capital of Uttar Pradesh.
Mass transit is in trouble worldwide.
Train crash kills 196 — MAPUTO, Mozambique — A train carrying weekend visitors to South Africa slammed into a freight train parked at a station in southern Mozambique yesterday, killing 196 persons and injuring hundreds more. ...
Jet plunges into strait; 225 aboard — PENGHU, Taiwan — A Boeing 747-200 that China Airlines planned to retire next month crashed yesterday in the Taiwan Strait as it was flying 225 persons to Hong Kong. No survivors were immediately found, and the airline said about 100 bodies were spotted floating in the choppy waters. ...
F.R. search on "train" as in wreck
Generally I first suspect sabotage when planes fall apart in midair. Because of the plethora of recent train wrecks and collisions lately, I would tend to pray and ask God what He is saying. It looks like the whole world is in for a "train wreck" of judgment on the nature of Noah's flood, but by fire. People are not arriving at their expected destinations.
Mt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I think he's saying, "Stop watching so much television. With 5 billion people in the world, there's going to be a train wreck every day."
How seemingly appropriate.
That's what the FBI tends to think too. Those os us that actually fly planes and study accidents know there are other reasons:
But for every plane that comes apart in the air, a lot more are in perfect flying condition when someone slams them into the ground. This is even true for airliners (although certainly a lower percentage than of small planes). For instance, American flew one into the side of a mountain in Cali and United flew one into the Everglades while messing with a faulty landing gear. The Columbians ran one out of gas because they didn't speak enough English to tell the controller they were low on fuel, and smashed into NYC a few years back. Aeroflot lost an Airbus with hundreds on board because the pilot let his teenage son fly it, and the luckless kid stalled and spun the thing! Then there have been several crew suicides over the years (the most recent being SilkAir and EgyptAir 990). Usually it traces back to either a human doing something dumb (remember ValuJet and the oxygen generators?) or some strange combination of events we have never seen before (the rudder actuator problem on 737s, which took NTSB *five years* to piece together for a lot of really good reasons... it was great detective work but you won't see it on TV because it is too complex for TV people's simple minds).
I look at _all_ the accidents. Did you know that two small planes came apart in the air on Thursday and Friday... in Indiana alone? Both pilots were killed. We'll probably know why -- when NTSB is done, in about 12 months. We could make some guesses now, but right now there is a professional investigator working on each one of those cases (and they will get help from the other investigators in the field office, and help from HQ in Washington if they need it, and help from the planes' designers and engine makers, etc.)
It's easy to get a skewed idea of what is happening if you get your news from the mass media, especially the tube. They only report the most sensational and shocking things... so an airliner in Taiwan that goes in the drink gets more play than one in Indiana where there's a small crater in a farm field and one man is dead. We might wind up learning more from one accident or the other when it is all over. Sometimes there just isn't a lot to learn... an old saw in the business is "there are no new accidents, just new pilots having the same old accidents" and there's a lot of truth in it.
In small planes, 85% of accidents are mostly attributed to pilot error. In airliners, it's still over half (airliners are flown by two- or more-pilot crews, flown only by tested professionals who have to prove themselves over and over again, and flown to very specific rules and regulations. These things remove a lot of the potential for accidents. I might add that people in the business relentlessly study these things, to try to learn from them.
d.o.l.
Criminal Number 18F
How idiotic. Nothing worse than deaths caused by easily-avoidable laziness and stupidity. Reminds me of the Aaliyah geniuses who overloaded her plane in a "rush" to get back to Miami.
Breaking: Multiple Bridge Collapse Warning! Eastern Oklahoma
One thing I have noticed... none of these incidents are due to drivers/engineers/pilots suddenly vanishing into thin air.
I find it interesting that you only see God as being angry and vengeful. God was - but something happened - He sent Jesus to die for our sins - Jesus paid that price for us - now we are forgiven and God is not mad at us any more. All we have to do is RECEIVE his forgiveness. (This is very simplistic language - hopefully you will understand).
You imply God is doing this stuff - and you are soooooooo WRONG!! "The devil comes but for to steal, kill, and destroy". God does not do this stuff - NEVER!!!
STOP BLAMING GOD!
You can believe what you want, but the God I love and serve is not a killer.
We don't have a TV and haven't watched TV in years.
We don't have a TV and haven't watched TV in years.
He is just! Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
The false prophets sure did fool you, and after the Lord warned of deception so many times. They told you that you have arrived and that you don't need to continue and that you can't be cut off. Guess you believed the Nicolaitans and false prophets more than you believed Jesus/Yeshua, which is IDOLATRY. You are a walkin', talkin', postin' example of Easy Believism, the foolish virigns who slumber on unprepared and the apostacy that has swept America. You behold only the goodness and not the severity of God. Before you quote Matt. 24 to twist a Pre-Trib Rapture out of it that is not there, stop at Matt. 22:
Mt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
God destroys evil and makes the waster to destroy. His principle to Israel, to America, and to all who say they love him is this...If you will, I will. If you will not, I will not. If you love me, keep my commandments. If you don't love me, you will not keep my commandments. It is basic, blessings and cursing stuff based on obedience. Americans SAY but do not DO. They are basically hypocrites and except they repent, they will have a hypocrite's reward -- knashing of teeth, outer darkness, etc. They are the ones who "say, but do lie" and His promise is to make such of the synagogue of satan. If you think I'm hard on you, you ain't seen nuttin' yet...wait until He shows up! [Ref. upon request, I'm not going to do the footwork for the Unbelieving destined for the lake.]
A Mini-Test
1. Please complete this verse: "Vengeance is mine, saith the ___, I will repay." -- Pick one of these words for the blank: Buick, hammer, Lord, duck. Hint: Rom 12:19.
2. Please complete this verse: "In flaming fire taking ______ on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ," -- Pick one of these words for the blank: mercy, lovingkindness, hand-holding, teary-eyed adoration, vengeance. 2Th 1:8.
3. Please explain the Flood in 20 words or less, including who told Noah to build an ark, who shut the door, who turned on the rain, how many lived. Why did He do it?
4. Why was God going to kill Moses? Ex. 4.
5. When did God change? Chapter and verse please.
Since you missed the first part of Deuteronomy 28 regarding the blessings for obedience (v. 1-14), and were not thankful (Rom 1:21), take a gander at the cursings for disobedience and stop the silly notion that "God will not do that". Of course He will do that. You just weren't paying attention! You don't know Him. Repent while there is time.
Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
Lastly, never look at 2 Chron 7:14 without taking a look at v. 13 and see who brings these things:
2Ch 7:13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
cc: Thyatira
Revelation 2:21-23
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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