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Landslide socialism: Henry Lamb covers Uncle Sam's unreal estate venture
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, May 18, 2002 | Henry Lamb

Posted on 05/18/2002 1:07:28 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

If put to a vote, Americans would likely reject socialism by a substantial majority.

Those same Americans, however, are voting by a substantial majority to allow governments to acquire more and more land and to tighten the controls on the private lands that remain.

Socialism, classically defined, is "government ownership and/or control of the sources of production." Land is the source of all production. A vote for acquiring more private land by government, or tightening government's control of the remaining private land, is a vote for socialism in America.

Of course, it's not called socialism; it's called "protecting the environment." But it doesn't matter what it is called; the result is the elimination of private property and the transfer of the sources of production to government control. The result is socialism.

Governments already own 900 million acres – 40 percent or more – of the total land area of the United States. Nearly 200 million acres are designated as "wilderness," off-limits to humans. More than 50 bills have been introduced in Congress to expand the wilderness area, and another 50 bills are now being considered to authorize more land acquisition by governments.

States, too, are authorizing land acquisition to "protect" open space, watersheds, shorelines and the environment in general. Not one of the bills is labeled "The Transition to Socialism Act." Nevertheless, each of these bills has the effect of destroying the foundation of freedom in America and effecting the transition to socialism.

Every time private property is acquired by government, tax revenue from that land stops. This forces an increase in the taxes paid by the remaining private property owners. Even worse, the free market is further diminished.

The United Nations believes that government control of all land use is "indispensable." Environmental organizations have convinced the public, Congress and the administration, that the planet is on the brink of biological collapse, and that the only way to ensure a planet for posterity is to stop logging, mining, ranching, driving, boating, snowmobiling, barbequing, eating meat and sweets, and to restore the land to pre-Columbian wilderness and force humans to live in low-rise, high-density, managed "sustainable communities."

This is a socialist agenda. No, thank you – very much!

Instead of plotting to acquire more private property, Congress and state legislatures should be working to divest their massive land inventories. Get government land into private hands – as much as possible, as quickly as possible. Article 1, Section 8, of the U.S. Constitution specifies the kinds of assets the government may own; all governments should adhere to this principle.

Government cannot adequately manage the land it owns now. Divestiture could provide a windfall of revenue to build schools, reduce debt or simply refresh the Social Security Trust Fund. Private landowners would happily pay reasonable property taxes. And private owners would undoubtedly "protect" their property far better than the government has protected "public" assets.

The Nature Conservancy and other "conservancy" organizations should be required to pay full taxes on their land holdings. Governments should be prohibited from providing them with grants to acquire private property. Without their government subsidies, their appetite for land acquisitions would likely diminish.

Land – in private ownership – is the foundation of freedom in America. Ownership means the freedom to use the land that is owned. Government control of private land – to "protect" so-called "endangered" species of weeds and bugs – is a feel-good mask that hides the sinister effect of transforming America into a socialist nation.

Socialists have tried throughout the century to establish federal control of land use. This idea has been rejected in the past. Americans have been blinded by the "protect the environment" ruse, and for a generation, have allowed socialism – government land acquisition and control – to guide public policy.

Many, if not most, Americans believe it is perfectly correct for government to own land and to prohibit use of the land to keep it in its pristine condition. Few who hold this belief will declare just how much land is the correct percentage for government to own. Every candidate for public office should be asked to publicly declare just how much land they think the government should own. Voters should make their decisions accordingly.

The rate at which private property is being either acquired by government, or placed under government control, is nothing less than a landslide – a landslide to socialism.




TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enviralists; freetrade; geopolitics; govwatch; landgrab; nwo
Saturday, May 18, 2002

Quote of the Day by backhoe 5/17/03

1 posted on 05/18/2002 1:07:28 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: seamole; Ernest_at_the_Beach, freefly, expose; .30Carbine;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Ace2U...
Henry Lamb ping
2 posted on 05/18/2002 7:22:19 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
Mr. Lamb has had it right for years now. Its high time we Americans started our own education campaign. We need to get out and talk to people who do not have access to the information we do, and show them what is happening in this country. We need to hold our own town hall meetings and education forums.

Santa Cruz county is about as socialist a place you can get. This place is turning into a hell on earth because our elected and unelected elites have bought into the idea that the government (which means THEM), MUST CONTROL EVERYTHING.
3 posted on 05/18/2002 7:32:18 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Free the USA; 2Jedismom; 2sheep; Aliska;Alabama_Wild_Man;Aquinasfan; argee; arielb...
fyi
4 posted on 05/18/2002 7:35:53 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!
5 posted on 05/18/2002 7:41:19 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: hedgetrimmer
We need to get industry to help us as much as they fund the damn greenie. I have helped the Klamath Bucket Brigade as much as I can in doing public education last year at the headgate, and this year when they came to Portland. In Portland, it was amazing how people don't know what is going on and how fast they "get it" when exposed to the facts. Unfortunately, Klamath Bucket Brigade (freep mail if you want to help) and I are both short in the pocketbook and have to do the daily grind to get cash flow; meanwhile the greenies are running there wrongful noise unchecked.

We need to get more organized and not be misinterupted as mouths for big business, but the voice of what is good for the country. If the oil companies gave us what they gave the greens, we'd be a hundred miles into the future from where we are now!

6 posted on 05/18/2002 7:48:37 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: JohnHuang2; Carry_Okie; "NWO"; "Free" Trade; Geopolitics; Gov_Watch; Black Jade; M1991; cdwright...
"The
Nature Conservancy and other "conservancy" organizations should be required to pay full taxes on their land holdings. Governments should be prohibited from providing them with grants to acquire private property.
Without their government subsidies, their appetite for land acquisitions would likely diminish."


Land – in private ownership – is the foundation of freedom in America. Ownership means the freedom to use the land that is owned. Government control of private land –
to "protect" so-called "endangered" species of weeds and bugs – is a feel-good mask that hides the sinister effect of transforming America into a socialist nation.

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Guys, This is THE reason for environmental controls. CONTROL!! SOCIALISM!! Peace and love, George.
7 posted on 05/18/2002 7:50:42 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: hedgetrimmer
It's certainly frustrating, having access to this information that should be of concern to all Americans, and not being able to reach the masses. Time was that college students championed the truth and questioned everything. That was when kids were taught to think for themselves, and well before they reached college.

It's hard to know what to do to reach the sheople. I am only comforted, when I think of the Homeschooling Movement, where parents can teach kids about the Constitution and the truth. I have so much praise for these parents.

8 posted on 05/18/2002 7:55:08 AM PDT by madfly
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To: JohnHuang2
BUMP
9 posted on 05/18/2002 7:59:16 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: JohnHuang2
Governments already own 900 million acres

Even at just $10,000 an acre (a low-ball figure), that is WAY more than enough land to pay off the national debt and have plenty of money left over for tax cuts AND pork projects.

10 posted on 05/18/2002 8:04:32 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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Government destroys and ruins everything it touches...

Why can't the sheeple understand that???

11 posted on 05/18/2002 8:05:34 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: A.Pole; Agrarian; Alamo-Girl; Anthem; asneditor; AUgrad; Aurelius; Barry Goldwater; billbears...
ping
12 posted on 05/18/2002 8:29:43 AM PDT by madfly
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To: hedgetrimmer; madfly; Issaquahking
I hailed from that area, and yes, the government has almost turned SC into a sewer. Here is a site which may prove helpful: Property Rights Congress of America, Inc. It has a good discussion of taking back our parklands.
13 posted on 05/18/2002 8:49:15 AM PDT by Angelique
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To: madfly;*Landgrab;*Enviralists
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
14 posted on 05/18/2002 9:00:18 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: madfly
Thanks for the bump! Henry is a wonderful fellow! I love to read his articles and have learned much from this man!
15 posted on 05/18/2002 9:52:28 AM PDT by countrydummy
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To: Ferris
Many of them don't understand Fractions!

How they gonna understand something more complicated?

16 posted on 05/18/2002 10:29:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: madfly
I couldn't have said it any better.
17 posted on 05/18/2002 10:31:16 AM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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To: madfly;JohnHuang2
Thanks for the ping to a good article!
18 posted on 05/18/2002 10:34:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: madfly
'Leftist' Tour Spreads Political Message to US Heartland
19 posted on 05/18/2002 10:52:45 AM PDT by hammerdown
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To: JohnHuang2
Execellent post Mr. Huang. Thanks for the flag madfly.
20 posted on 05/18/2002 10:52:46 AM PDT by farmfriend
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
How they gonna understand something more complicated?

Ultimately, the sheeple's literal survival will be dependent on them understanding the nature of government as the evil/guilty value destroyer and the individual as the good/innocent value producer...

Because if they don't figure it out, the end result taken to it's logical conclusion is no more sheeple...

21 posted on 05/18/2002 10:59:28 AM PDT by Ferris
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To: sonofliberty2
Consequently, the acreage of farms in the US has fallen by 50% in the last 20 years with 90% of that taking done by cities who ploughed over the land with cement and plumbing to make mass suburban housing.

With the federal government owning 75% of the land in California and the good citizens voting in bond measures for more land acquisiton, what choice is there? Stupidity is out of control here on the west coast.

23 posted on 05/18/2002 12:04:38 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: madfly;JohnHuang2
In 1995 during Vice President Al Gore's reventing government he recomended the privatization of Elk Hills,a 47,ooo acre oil rich land in Southern California.

In October,1997 The Energy Dept. announced that the government would sell its stake in Elk Hills. Bids were taken of course, but guess who won......Occidental Petroleum for $3.65 billion.

So the government does divest some property when the need is warranted.

Thanks madfly and JH2....

24 posted on 05/18/2002 12:14:09 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: sonofliberty2
Don't bump me to this kind of stuff, will ya buddy?
Most of these people can't be pleased no matter what.

Thanx ahead of time, for your future neglect.

25 posted on 05/18/2002 12:41:55 PM PDT by Landru
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To: sonofliberty2

26 posted on 05/18/2002 12:53:26 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
We need the "Fair Tax" or the "Flat Tax". The charitable deduction is the source of most of the left's funding. Cut of their funding and the left will wither on the vine.
27 posted on 05/18/2002 1:46:24 PM PDT by B. A. Conservative
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To: sonofliberty2
Thanks for the ping!

Actually, I believe matters are somewhat worse than the article presents. Because the city lots that people believe they own have city easements which belong to the collective (i.e., the city) but on which the purported owner must pay taxes. Still worse, when a developer creates a residential community, most have mandatory home owners' associations. These are, again, examples of collective control...right down to the color of the paint one uses.

I recall that communists were criticized for their block watch committtees that would report one to the Party for minor infractions - yet we have precisely this state of affairs in America today.

Socialism...yecch!

28 posted on 05/18/2002 1:53:42 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping, madfly.

We have our work -- and serious work it is -- cut out for us if we hope to roll back the tide of ever-increasing government control of our lives and our fortunes.

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” [Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

Click here to help us scrap the Code, scrap the IRS and abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

You can also click here to sign a petition in support of Fundamental Tax Reform.

We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS.

29 posted on 05/18/2002 2:04:02 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: madfly
Harry Lamb...Bump !!
30 posted on 05/18/2002 2:06:54 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Angelique
Thank you for the ping. We need to unite against this type of land theft that keeps coming after us. Be a hell of a day when weaponery comes down to the last of our private property, and we have to use it to take back what is rightfully ours.
31 posted on 05/18/2002 2:16:11 PM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: JohnHuang2
Instead of plotting to acquire more private property, Congress and state legislatures should be working to divest their massive land inventories.

Got debt? Sell your assets.

Every American knows that the government is in major debt. Here in California, the state is in the hole for 30% of the budget this year alone. The state is planning to raise taxes, make cuts and sell bonds (more debt!) to fill it. Instead, the government should begin to shed it's non-performing assets and pay down the debt. This will save money being spent on debt service for more essential services. There is no reason for the state to own so much real estate.

32 posted on 05/18/2002 4:08:25 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: madfly
.....If put to a vote, Americans would likely reject socialism by a substantial majority.....
.....Many, if not most, Americans believe it is perfectly correct for government to own land and to prohibit use of the land.....

Most Americans are now socialists. They have been conditioned to respond the question "Are you Socialist?" with the reflex answer "No!". However, if asked specific questions about Socialist policies they will respond positively. This is largely due to an amazingly effective indoctrination program that starts in early childhood. They are led to believe that individuals are foolish (and greedy) when left to their own devices and unhindered will cause the eventual downfall of the nation. Luckily we have the government to protect us from individuals. The government can collectively manage our resources and protect us from ourselves.

Samples of American Socialism:

There are many more. This didn't happen by accident. It was the long term goal of social engineers. They designed the system of compulsory public schools to create a society of people who are minimally educated and taught to work together in groups to achieve goals. They are encouraged to respect the socialist agenda and give it support.

Separation of school and state is needed.

33 posted on 05/18/2002 6:19:00 PM PDT by jadimov
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To: JohnHuang2
Excellent post!...as usual. ;^)

All of the 'national socialisms' of the 20th Century were sold to their respective peoples as 'strengthening the nation' and 'protecting the national patrimony' and 'guaranteeing your children's future'.

Whether the language is Russian, German, Chinese or English the message is the same. You owe your life to Society.

That is the first axiom of socialism.

'If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it's more than likely a duck'.

34 posted on 05/18/2002 6:51:36 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: B. A. Conservative
"We need the "Fair Tax" or the "Flat Tax".

BAC, Nah. Just eliminate ALL deductions and/or exemptions from the income tax and make it ONE rate for all. Then, unlike the sales tax, EVERYBODY would have the same incentive to keep the rate as low as possible, and government as SMALL as possible. Peace and love, George.

35 posted on 05/18/2002 7:35:34 PM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: madfly
bump
36 posted on 05/18/2002 9:14:24 PM PDT by mafree
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To: hedgetrimmer
I live in Upstate, NY where Socialism is rampant.

To My Fellow Freedom Loving Americans:

What is the goal of Socialism? That's right, COMMUNISM. Socialim=Communism.

This article ought to be at the top of all articles posted because we are on the "Fastrack" to losing America. Here is a bump to this article and may God Bless each and every one of you.

37 posted on 05/19/2002 2:49:56 AM PDT by rambo316
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To: rambo316; Taxman
How America can free itself:

Utterly revoke the endangered species act
Utterly revoke Clintons Environmental Justice Executive order
Utterly revoke the Telecommunications Act of 1996
Utterly revoke the Workforce Investment Act of 1998
Utterly revoke the Patriot Act of 2001
Completely disband the NEA
Completely disband the EPA
CLOSE THE BORDERS AND DEPORT ILLEGALS
Monitor elections ON PAPER BALLOTS with a MICROSOCOPE even following the ballots, and watch them being counted on counting machines that are calibrated before and after each count by CITIZENs NOT GOVT EMPLOYEES
AND REDUCE TAXES to 3% of a person income
DIVEST THE GOVERNMENT OF ALL THE LAND IT HAS ACQUIRED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE NAME OF PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT.
38 posted on 05/19/2002 9:29:40 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: rambo316; Taxman
I forgot a couple:

Disband the office of homeland defense-- WE HAVE A NATION NOT A HOMELAND
GET OUT OF THE UN and THROW OUT ANY BIOSPHERE or WORLD HERITAGE SITE designations
MAKE IT ILLEGAL FOR GOVERNMENT TO FUND NON-GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONs like the Nature Conservancy,
revoke all REGIONAL PSEUDO-GOVERNMENTAL BODIES like the Association of Bay Area Governments
39 posted on 05/19/2002 9:42:56 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: madfly
I've been readin' everything that Mr. Lamb writes - that gentleman really knows, and understands, about a great deal of what is REALLY going on around the 'Globe' !!

. . . even had the honor and pleasure of meeting him and getting him to sign a Cap of mine...

40 posted on 05/20/2002 10:37:15 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: Alabama_Wild_Man
Wow, that's great. I think we need a "Henry Lamb" bump list. He understands and his writing is easy to understand.
41 posted on 05/20/2002 11:09:09 AM PDT by madfly
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To: hedgetrimmer
I agree with most of what you said. However when you said "REDUCE TAXES to 3% of a person income" I must take exception.

The lowest rate for the first ("Constitutional") income tax levied on the American people in 1913 was 1%. Today the lowest rate is 25.3% (10% income + plus the 15.3% employer and employee SS "contribution").

The answer to the income tax question is to abolish the income tax! And the IRS, too, while we are at it!

42 posted on 05/20/2002 1:38:53 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: madfly
"The American people will never knowingly accept socialism. But, under the name of "Liberalism", they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party Presidential candidate.

One day American's will understand the dangers behind such catch phrases as communism, socialism and yes, terrorism. But what lies will they tell their children for being so ignorant, with the Truth all around them?

Our lack of fortitude, is our childrens lack of a future with promise. Obviously we don't look into their eyes enough.

When we finally do, we deserve the emptiness that will look back at us.

PEACE IS NOT ACHIEVABLE WITHOUT SACRIFICE.But that doesn't mean allowing the elites to sacrifice us for their profit, in their wars. It means standing for something and not accepting less from our representitives.They are not geniuses, they are opportunists no different then a car salesperson.

Are they really worth your childrens future?

When do we give up the fast paced life with convenience and voluntary servitude, for a slower more meaningful life of Freedom and Personal Responsibility?

One our children can grow with......

43 posted on 05/20/2002 7:37:45 PM PDT by Eustace
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To: Taxman
Taxes are an assault on our property rights.Some people however, mostly farmers, do allow assessments on their property at times to develop water resources and such. How should that be handled?
44 posted on 05/20/2002 9:59:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: madfly
Hey - I'm ALL FOR THAT !! !!

I argree with you about his writing style !
Even Spotted Algore could read and understand Mr. Lamb's articles !! !! !!

45 posted on 05/21/2002 6:53:17 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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