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1 posted on 05/16/2002 9:10:34 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; summer; mombonn; Sabertooth; beckett; BlueAngel; JohnHuang2...
Ping for the PNPL.
2 posted on 05/16/2002 9:11:36 PM PDT by Pokey78
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bump.
3 posted on 05/16/2002 9:19:55 PM PDT by hillsborofox
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I think she over looks the fact that not everyone that takes a poll bothers to go to the voters booth. Given the closeness of the last election a hundred votes can make or break a candidate.

Bush has toss'ed his base out in the cold by far more than a hundred votes. I rush to the television now to turn him off when he comes on, I can't bear to look at the man or listen to what he has to say. What he is saying probably isn't in my native tongue anyway.

I think 2004 will be a very interesting election given the Democrats habit of stuffing a couple of million bogus votes in the ballot boxes and given that a small, but possibly critical, percentage of the base will go fishing that day.

4 posted on 05/16/2002 9:30:41 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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I disagree with one point in the article.

The base will forgive him, the nonbase hasn't noticed he did anything that needs forgiveness, and the opposition can hardly knock him for taking policy positions they've long supported.

The opposition will knock him for anything. They are not consistent, and logic fails them.

5 posted on 05/16/2002 9:31:16 PM PDT by Samwise
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The only weakness in this article is that FDR went to war against three nations, Bush is fighting against terrorists. That is like fighting a war on poverty or on drugs; how we doing on those wars anyhow?
6 posted on 05/16/2002 9:32:34 PM PDT by joeyman
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Mr. Bush has been justly smacked by pundits, but the man on the street and the woman being polled don't seem to think much of it, about it or against it.

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Most of those being polled don't know what is happening to them or have given up caring.

7 posted on 05/16/2002 9:34:13 PM PDT by RLK
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Why wouldn't he? Playing political games is what Mr. Carville does as a partisan, as an operative, as a holder of the banner of the opposition. It's not only a game but a lucrative one. And it's not terrible, it's show biz--occasionally funny, often colorful.

When people like Peggy Noonan say things like this I just get so depressed. It is true that it means nothing to any of them. They are paid political hacks or prostitutes. Makes me wonder why I care at all? Politics sucks. Today did nothing more than affirm that impression for me. I'm SO TEMPTED to just tune out. Probably wasn't the intent of Peggy's article but that's what it says to me. It's just a stupid game, forgetaboutit.

9 posted on 05/16/2002 9:39:54 PM PDT by Wphile
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Mr. Bush has been justly smacked by pundits, but the man on the street and the woman being polled don't seem to think much of it, about it or against it. Mr. Bush knows this and likes it.
If it's all about the polling (and I don't think that it is), then she should be comparing Bush to Clinton, not FDR.
10 posted on 05/16/2002 9:42:54 PM PDT by drjimmy
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The president sacrifices whatever he must to win the war--just as FDR did.

Does this explain why the Bush adminstration has ignored credible evidence that the Clinton administration and democRATS tampered with our election process (by voter fraud and by adding millions of illegal contributions from communists to their campaign coffers), the privacy of individuals and many Republican leaders (inorder to blackmail them), sold US secrets and restricted data for more campaign cash (some call that treason), abused the IRS (used it to harass political opponents), abused the FBI and DOJ (corrupted both to cover up their misdeeds), abused the military (used it to wag the dog repeatedly), murdererd high level government employees who were deemed unreliable (like Foster and Brown), and committed mass murder (in order to kill Brown)? Is there ANYTHING that Bush is not willing to sacrifice in this war against terrorists ... who NEVER posed or could pose a threat to what this country is (and its not "buildings" and "people")? The sad truth is that if Bush sacrifices the Constitution and our laws to "win" this war ... we have lost.

So Mr. Bush is doing an FDR, and angering only a base that will forgive him.

Don't be so sure.

12 posted on 05/16/2002 9:54:09 PM PDT by BeAChooser
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The reason is that GWB is doing an FDR.

FDR would sacrifice anything, he'd tack left right and center, to win World War II. You can almost literally trace the end of FDR's New Deal legislation to the beginning of the war in Europe in September 1939.

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This analogy is ridiculous. In WWII we had to build entire large armies, navies, and air forces starting with nothing. We had millions of men in uniform actively fighting a war. Today we have a very very limited effort. There are no Normandy invasions, battles of Midway and the Coral Sea or Iwo Jimas. I used to count train cars full of artillary and armor during WWII as a kid. I'd see trains well over 300 cars long pulled by three steam engines. There's nothing approaching that today.

Noonan is desperately trying to excuse Bush. It won't sell at my house. This kind of attempted spin is an insult to anyone's intelligence. This quality of thought has been typical of Bush and his supporters and has been a mojor factor in my disgust with Bush and the enrite scene.

It's time to cut out the spin and bullcrap and get serious.

13 posted on 05/16/2002 10:00:45 PM PDT by RLK
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If Mr. Bush's popularity falls, his party's popularity suffers. The congressional elections six months from now could produce a Democratic House and a more heavily Democratic Senate.

Even before this current assault by the media and Democrats implying Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11, some conservatives like Rush have been attacking him relentlessly without regard to upcoming elections. That didn't hurt his poll numbers, but I'll be interested in seeing his numbers in a few days after this out of control barrage on TV, radio, and front pages.

18 posted on 05/17/2002 12:27:12 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Ya got to love this quote,

"Ann Coulter could eat her lunch off Paul Begala's head and use his tie as a napkin"

20 posted on 05/17/2002 4:05:47 AM PDT by bigdog
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Wow! A really weak effort by Noonan. She usually does better.
21 posted on 05/17/2002 4:37:31 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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Well this is interesting. Comparing a Republican president to FDR is now considered praise?

Pokey, you forgot the BARF ALERT.

24 posted on 05/17/2002 5:30:27 AM PDT by Tauzero
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Peggy?

We love you, okay?

We love you, and we loved What I Saw at the Revolution, and we loved Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

We forgave you when you went a bit crazy, after 911. You lost friends, and it was a tough time for everybody, and anyone could get a bit too emotional and write some silly stuff, when they're going through something like that. And you're known for your loyalty; to Pat Buchanan, to President Reagan, and now President Bush. But this is too much :

..I think the criticisms are wholly legitimate. I think they are correct. And I think they miss the point...

Conservatives don't do twee, okay? Now get it together, 'cause your rep is on a knife-edge at the moment. Don't force us to turn on you like we (justifiably) turned on Arianna, okay, babe?

27 posted on 05/17/2002 6:01:31 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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And FDR won his war, clear and clean. Mr. Bush will have to do that too or history, and the people, will not be so forgiving.

I guess the point here is that one must be a hard leftist to win a war. I couldn't disagree more.

29 posted on 05/17/2002 6:11:54 AM PDT by Moonman62
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So, in the interest of political maneuvering and reelection prospects, it's ok to:

- Sign a direct unconstitutional assault on the First Amendment
- Prop up a failing steel industry with confiscated tax dollars
- Prop up farmers who can't figure out how to do their damn jobs efficiently with confiscated tax dollars
- Back off on any effort to even slightly relieve taxpayers of their burden
- Create an even more-rapidly expanding Big Stupid Government

I'm done with Bush the Wimp II; Noonan's rationalizations are just lame attempts to prop up political parasites.

30 posted on 05/17/2002 6:52:25 AM PDT by Hank Rearden
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ALL THE FREE REPUBLIC BUSH BASHERS NEED TO READ THIS ARTICLE AND LEARN!!! WE ARE IN A FREAKING WAR AGAINST BOTH THE TERRORISTS AND THE LIBERALS!!!

I am personally going to start refering to Bush Bashers in the same way as I refer to whining, crying, petty, selfish little liberals....AS AMERICA HATERS!!!

34 posted on 05/17/2002 12:17:30 PM PDT by Johnny Shear
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Hi Pokey, thanks for the ping
I just found it now, and read the article
I find the article fascinating
she raises so many good points
and has interesting things to say
The new Dem charges against President Bush are insane, and part of their overall ''get Bush'' strategy
I hope GOP panelists on TV learn to shrug them off with wit and candor
they are slanderous lies unworthy of responses (which only energize them)
Love, Palo
39 posted on 05/17/2002 10:40:15 PM PDT by palo verde
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There's a war on.
Why will the base forgive Mr. Bush? Because they know it's all about the war.

Please support the President and side with the survival of our nation. Anything else is treason, Harry, for this is war.
During times of war, some liberties are temporarily curtailed. That is part of war.
We are at war. This is a long and costly war, and grandstanding and spinning for one's own advancement is despicable.
Miss Marple, are you and Peggy penpals? The similarities are eerie, and that was only one thread. I could find more...

114 posted on 05/19/2002 7:41:29 AM PDT by philman_36
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