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Conflict Begins A New Debate On End Times
THE WASHINGTON TIMES | April 6, 2002 | Larry Witham

Posted on 04/06/2002 6:22:10 PM PST by Icthus

The bloody conflict in the Middle East is again turning some evangelicals to the Bible for texts that speak of a final cosmic battle in those ancient lands.

Some scholars and religious leaders warn against being too literal. As with the founding of Israel in 1948, the Six Day War in 1967, and the Persian Gulf war of 1991, the ongoing violence between Israel and Palestinians is making some Christians think of a biblical-scale showdown.

"I see Israel as the only nation on Earth with a title deed to any real estate," said Hal Lindsey, who popularized the study of Bible prophecy in his 1970 book, "The Late Great Planet Earth."

He said that at this time he is focusing on larger biblical themes rather than details, such as terrorist attacks on America or Israel's seizure of Yasser Arafat's political headquarters.

"In Jeremiah, God declared a promise to the people of Israel, and He keeps His promise," Mr. Lindsey said. "We're seeing a contest now between God's promise and the rest of the world, which says Israel can't exist."

Capital Bible Seminary President Homer Heater, an Old Testament scholar, said Bible prophecy demands a sympathy to Israel but that Christians must also defend the rights of Arab Christians and justice.

"I'm trying to persuade Christians to not just carte blance support Israel," Mr. Heater said. "The Christian Embassy in Israel, for example, says Israel can do nothing wrong."

Mr. Heater had been a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, widely known for its "premillennial" view of the Bible. In that belief, the 1,000 years cited in the book of Revelation is the millennium-long reign of Christ in Jerusalem before the final judgment.

"We do believe there is a future conflagration in the Middle East," Mr. Heater said. "But is this it? I don't know."

He recalls how Iraq's 1991 invasion of Kuwait made evangelical media eager for exciting commentary, which he tried to discourage. "Everyone was so hot on the thing," he said. "And I said, 'This is not it.'"

Images of an end time in the Middle East stretch from the Hebrew books of Jeremiah, Zechariah and Daniel to the New Testament's gospel of Matthew and the book of Revelation.

The more apocalyptic interpretations see the return of Jews to Israel, the rise of an anti-Christ, a new world government and a final battle of Armageddon as key features in God's plan.

During the Gulf war, some evangelicals said Saddam Hussein was the anti-Christ and likened the smoke of burning oil wells to Matthew's allusion to how "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light."

Also in Matthew, Jesus said that before His return, "Ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars."

Though all Christian traditions adhere to the Bible, mainline Protestants and Roman Catholics take such prophecies and Israel symbolically.

Mainline Protestants also have historic missions in Arab Palestine and side with their cause, while Rome has Arab districts and sees Jerusalem as an international city.

In contrast, evangelicals such as Pat Robertson back Israel, and the Rev. John Hagee, a San Antonio pastor, built an international ministry on interpreting Middle East events.

His end-time evidence includes Jewish control of Jerusalem and world television so everyone may see the final events. Others point to the new European Union as the united empire the Bible predicts.

In recent weeks, some Christians have evoked Zechariah's prophecy that God will "make Jerusalem a burdensome stone" so "all the people in the earth gathered together against it."

Erin Zimmerman, a columnist for the Christian Broadcasting Network, recently visited Israel with evangelicals and was "surprised by the lack of detailed, 'date-setting' type of end-times speculation that was popular during the Gulf war."

She said those who make contact with suffering Israelis and Palestinians "are mostly concerned with their safety," not prophecy, and turn to Bible texts to "pray for the peace of Jerusalem" as the Psalms state.

"They're becoming more aware that there's a human side to Armageddon," Miss Zimmerman said. "For many Christians, I think the prophetic viewpoint is being tempered by a new level of compassion where the Middle East is concerned."

During the Gulf war, 40 percent of Americans told pollsters the world is likely to end in the battle of Armaggedon, and as 2000 approached, 20 percent said the world will end in their lifetimes.

Mr. Lindsey's Web site, which receives 8 million hits a month, began a poll on interpreting the new Mideast violence, so far garnering an "unscientific sample" of 4,000 votes.

Most — 72.5 percent — agreed with the statement, "I believe we actually are seeing the start of the war that leads to antichrist and Armageddon." Most of the rest said: "I believe it is coming, but this isn't it."


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OK Freepers....What's your take?
1 posted on 04/06/2002 6:22:10 PM PST by Icthus
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To: Icthus
What a nut case Hal Lindsey is. We're liable to get sucked into a ME war because of this lunacy.
2 posted on 04/06/2002 6:24:02 PM PST by ipatent
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To: ipatent
Yea I know, Hagee is a nut as well.
3 posted on 04/06/2002 6:25:03 PM PST by Icthus
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To: Icthus
Anytime the vast majority of people expects any major event to occur, it won't. Remember such things as...the fear of nuclear war? Or, more recently, Y2K? Or all the people who expected the dollar to go down, and gold to go up? Or, for that matter, those who expected the stock market to go to 36,000 +?

Quite aside from any biblical injucntion against date setting, if bunches of people expect the current conflict to be the end of the world, it won't be.

4 posted on 04/06/2002 6:32:02 PM PST by neutrino
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To: Icthus
These debates do nothing to further the Spiritual Kingdom and, in my opinion, can frighten people needlessly. I urge those who have the desire to learn more about the Preterist view of the End Times to go to this web site (it isn't a cult, okay??):

Preterism

God bless.

5 posted on 04/06/2002 6:34:01 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Icthus
Find me someone who knows the original aramaic version and that can cure lepers-then I'll give you a comment but yes Matthew 24:6 wars and rumours of wars is where we're seemingly at.
6 posted on 04/06/2002 6:36:39 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The posting of the article was in no way meant to insinuate that all Christians were buying into the idea....

I simply wanted to get a feel for what most of the Freepers felt about it, especially in light of the current events. This subject has always provided ample room for ideas and debate.

7 posted on 04/06/2002 6:38:59 PM PST by Icthus
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To: Recovering_Democrat; 2sheep
The sixth seal could frighten people needlessly,if its allready happened what year did those 200 million men have a squabble?
8 posted on 04/06/2002 6:39:28 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Governor StrangeReno
There have always been wars and rumours of war. Especially in that part of the world. That earth has probably soaked up more blood than any other on the planet. Can you think of anytime in history that there haven't been at least 10 armed conflicts on any given day?
9 posted on 04/06/2002 6:56:31 PM PST by constitutiongirl
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To: Governor StrangeReno
...Matthew 24:6 wars and rumours of wars is where we're seemingly at.

I'll agree that there are wars and rumors of wars, but when, in all of recorded history, has this not been the case?

10 posted on 04/06/2002 7:03:14 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: constitutiongirl
You beat me to it.
11 posted on 04/06/2002 7:04:19 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Icthus
Yep, and on October 22, 1844, much of America expected Jesus to come down in the clouds to take them to Heaven, based on the writings of Daniel and Revelation.

This is nothing new.

12 posted on 04/06/2002 7:09:44 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: constitutiongirl
Well we have an Israeli-jewish state with Jerusalem at its capital Oslo ran from 9-13-1993 to 9-13-2000 it was a seven year 'peace and security accord and after it on 9-11-2000 sudden destruction did come,we're certainly headed for one world government,and much more which statistically if you apply to someones dissertations from 2000-2600 years ago have about a one in ten to the power of 8 probability-somethins happening which either involves God or the greatest conspiracy you could think of
13 posted on 04/06/2002 7:10:18 PM PST by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Icthus
I understand, and my post was in no way meant to be critical of you. :) I hope it wasn't interpreted that way; my apologies if I was a bit o'er the top.
14 posted on 04/06/2002 7:18:47 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Governor StrangeReno
The sixth seal could frighten people needlessly,if its allready happened what year did those 200 million men have a squabble?

I guess the same year that giant beast with ten horns and seven heads came out of the sea. ;-) Seriously, I won't engage in a tit-for-tat about each element of eschatology. I've given a reasonable source for those who are open to a very reasonable view of scripture. I hope you'll avail yourself of it, and keep an open mind. God bless.

15 posted on 04/06/2002 7:22:29 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Icthus
This is leading up to tthe final event that will usher in the Anti-Christ. This series of actions COULD be what precedes the Rapture.

In Revelation 18, Jeremiah and Isaiah, the city of Babylon is mentioned as having been destroyed, yet, Babylon has NEVER been destroyed to the extent that the Bible describes, also, in Rev 18, there is a system of commerce that is world noticed. That is NOT the present state of Babylon. I believe we are seeing the foundation for an invasion into Iraq that takes out Saddam and places in a leader who will allow a peace movement lead by an amalgamation of religions, leading to a one world religion, headquartered in Babylon. we will also se a European leader rise up who will create a treaty with Israel, a 7 year treaty. He is the Anti-Christ.

I believe we have no more than 5 years left before the tribulation.

16 posted on 04/06/2002 7:22:50 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, Dog. Thank you. :)
17 posted on 04/06/2002 7:23:02 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: RaceBannon
Isaiah 13 and 14 deal more exactly with where we are at this minute, and culminating with the destruction of the Palestinians.

Destruction of Damascus, as per Isa. 17, may also be near.

Daniel ll:39-42 describe the near-future lightning-invasion and remaking of the Mideast map by the USA.

Joel 3, or the entire book. Zechariah, most of book. Ovadia, one page is entire book.

Key: the Abomination of Desolation, spoken of by Daniel and Jesus, is the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques on the Temple Mount, and they are "soon" (months to a few yrs) to go.

18 posted on 04/06/2002 7:28:34 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
Jesus advised us to be ready, for no one knows the date or time of his return. Therefore we all need to be spiritually prepared, but we should NOT attempt to predict when He might return (and as many interpret the scriptures, his return will trigger the battle of Armageddon). We have all the answer we need: He will come as a thief in the night.
19 posted on 04/06/2002 7:58:53 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: RaceBannon
The Revelation of St. John is not a science-fiction novel, and it's helpful if people don't try to read it like one. It might be more worrisome if the "The End Is Near" folks hadn't been saying just that for the past, oh, 2000 years. Unfortunately, they've been jumping at shadows for two millennia.

Regards,
Snidely

20 posted on 04/06/2002 8:01:36 PM PST by Snidely Whiplash
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