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GUNS AND THE CONSTITUTION:Telling The Right Second Amendment Story (BARF ALERT)
Findlaw.com (sic) ^ | 11/2/2001 | Akhil Reed Amar and Vikram David Amar

Posted on 11/02/2001 2:54:29 PM PST by Fixit


A federal appellate panel ruled last week that the Constitution guarantees a limited right of individual Americans to keep guns for nonmilitary purposes. By so ruling in United States v. Emerson, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit re-energized popular debate about the meaning of the Second Amendment and also created a split among federal appellate courts, thus increasing the odds that the Supreme Court will soon weigh in with its own reading of the Amendment.

Citizens who enter the fray;be they Justices or other judges, lawyers or layfolk;should be wary of the Fifth Circuit's opinion. Though the Circuit may have reached the right conclusion, both in recognizing an individual right and in deeming it nonabsolute, the court told the wrong constitutional story.

And make no mistake, the story Americans tell themselves about liberty matters, and the story judges tell us especially matters, for these are the stories that shape our self-image and ultimately determine who has rights, to what, and why.

The Emerson Opinion and the Constitution

As our fellow Writ columnist Michael Dorf has explained more fully, Emerson involved a man who brandished a firearm against his estranged wife in violation of a federal statute. Parting company with other federal courts, which have limited the application of the Second Amendment to organized militias like the National Guard, the Fifth Circuit insisted that the amendment affirms a broader individual right to own guns. The court also ruled that this right must yield to reasonable regulations, including the gun statute at issue.

Professor Dorf and other commentators have thoughtfully discussed whether the Emerson ruling is consistent with current Supreme Court precedent. But as United States Chief Justice John Marshall observed over 150 years ago, "it is a Constitution" — and not the U.S. Reports, which compile judicial opinions — that "we are expounding." And when we turn to the Constitution itself, we see that the Fifth Circuit's account of the document is lacking.

The Fifth Circuit claimed that the Second Amendment's text and history compel an individual rights reading. But they do not.

The Meaning of the Phrase "Bear Arms"

Consider first the Amendment's text: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The phrase "bear arms" in 1789 was at its core a military phrase: it referred to those who bore arms in the context of military service rather than those who carried guns merely for hunting or sport.

Indeed, the Emerson court found only one clear nonmilitary use of the phrase before 1789. Against this linguistic outlier are scores of military allusions to arms-bearing in eighteenth-century laws and legal sources.

The Second Amendment's overall context further strengthens the military reading of the phrase "bear arms." The Amendment speaks of a "militia"— another military term — and flanks the Third Amendment, which addresses the military issue of troop quartering. Most eighteenth-century state constitutions likewise linked arms-bearing to other military matters.

Evidence for a Collective, Not an Individual, Right

Moreover, in considering whether the Second Amendment creates an individual or a collective right, we should note that the Amendment speaks of a collective "people," not individual "persons."

Elsewhere, the Constitution most often uses "the people" as a collective noun embodying voters and jurors, rather than all citizens. The Preamble, for example, states that "We, the people"–that is, voters–ordained and established the Constitution. Similarly, Article I directs that the House of Representatives shall be elected biannually by "the people"–once again, voters.

And of course, at the Founding the class of voters was very different from the class of citizens. Women, children, and aliens fell outside this core definition of voting "people." They were likewise excluded from the Second Amendment's "militia."

The Second Amendment's syntax, too, suggests that the "militia" and the "people" are, roughly speaking, synonymous; the use of "people" in the Amendment's second clause in effect refers back to the use of "militia" in its introductory clause. (Indeed, an early draft spoke explicitly of the militia "composed of the body of the people." The final draft makes this point with fewer words.)

According to the Amendment's basic vision, all voters ideally should serve in the military, and the military in turn should be composed of ordinary voters. This conception is quite far afield from today's professional military. However, it can be more easily understood by thinking of the early military as somewhat similar to a jury, another local collectivist institution closely akin to the militia. At the founding, one would have not only a jury of one's peers, but ideally a militia of one's peers as well.

The Historical, and the Contemporary, Second Amendment

This reading of the original Second Amendment — suggesting that it confers a collective military right rather than an individual nonmilitary one — is confirmed by history. The Founders were thinking of local militiamen like those who fought at Lexington and Concord — not of hunters or sportsmen. The Framers envisioned Minutemen bearing guns, not Daniel Boone gunning bears.

None of this means that Emerson is wrong in result or that the Constitution cannot now be read to protect a qualified individual right to possess guns outside the military. Other constitutional clauses are read nonliterally and the Second Amendment may likewise be read expansively.

Law and language have evolved; today it is common to speak of nonmilitary arms-bearing. Many modern state constitutions embrace a limited right of individual gun ownership, and millions of Americans deem guns a fundamental right, though not an absolute one. The fact that there are almost as many firearms as citizens in this country similarly suggests that, like it or not, guns are part of the American ethos.

How Later Amendments May Have Altered the Second Amendment's Meaning

Most importantly, we must remember that our Constitution differs dramatically from the Framers'. Over the centuries, We the People have made amends for some of the Founding fathers' failures. And some of these amendments speak to the question of who in America should be trusted with arms.

The great generation that won the Civil War had a more individualistic view of liberty than did the Founders, and this later generation's Fourteenth Amendment, adopted in 1868, reflected that individualistic worldview. Concretely, the Amendment pledged to protect various fundamental "privileges and immunities" of individuals.

One such "privilege" explicitly embraced by the Reconstruction Congress in legislation accompanying the Fourteenth Amendment was a limited right to have a gun in one's home for self-protection, because police in the 1860s could not always be trusted to protect blacks from white night-riders and other thugs. This right to a gun was seen as a right of all citizens–women as well as men, blacks as well as whites–even if the gun owner was not a voter or militiaman.

The Fourteenth Amendment, which Emerson virtually ignored, both anchors an individual right in constitutional text and explains why this right is properly limited by other rights, like the right to be free from irresponsible gun use and thuggery.

Instead of detailing the Fourteenth Amendment's new birth of freedom — and the way it might alter our understanding of the Second Amendment — Emerson blandly cited parts of the Supreme Court's infamous 1857 Dred Scott case, without even noting that much of that case was repudiated by the Fourteenth Amendment. (Dred Scott held that blacks, even if free, could never be citizens, and were entitled to little respect from whites. The Fourteenth Amendment explicitly overruled this holding by promising citizenship to all born in America–rich and poor, black and white, male and female--and by further promising to protect all citizens in their fundamental "privileges and immunities.")

Nor did America's constitutional saga end with the Fourteenth Amendment. In 1870, the Fifteenth Amendment enfranchised black men because they had helped win the Civil War on the battlefield–preserving the Founding linkage between military arms-bearing and voting, but extending the definition of "the people" to include former slaves and other free blacks.

A century later, the Twenty-sixth Amendment likewise enfranchised young adults who were being told to fight in Vietnam. And after the Nineteenth Amendment made women part of the voting " people" in a way they were not at the Founding, we might ask whether women should have a Constitutional right to bear arms on equal terms in today's military, just as they have a Constitutional right now to serve equally on juries.

Rallying Around the Amended Constitution — Not Just the 1789 Text

Emerson erred by failing to weave any of these amendments into its arms-bearing story. By inflating the Founding, Emerson exaggerated a 1789 text adopted with little input from women and blacks. It also slighted later amendments expanding democracy, amendments that affirmed rights of previously excluded persons and included these persons in the constitutional conversation itself.

In general Emerson's methodological skew — that is, its exclusive focus on the founding — tends to tilt constitutional adjudication sharply rightward. Consider, for example, civil rights more generally. Unlike Emerson, the Warren Court understood the importance of Reconstruction and upheld every federal civil rights law it reviewed. In contrast, the Rehnquist Court, a la Emerson, has trivialized Reconstruction. In the name of Founding-era states' rights, the Justices have invalidated key Reconstruction-style civil rights laws protecting women, the elderly, the religious, and the disabled. The judiciary has also endorsed sex discrimination in the military and age discrimination in jury selection–types of discrimination much easier to justify if we look only to the Founders while ignoring the equality vision underlying the Fourteenth, Nineteenth, and Twenty-sixth Amendments.

With Americans under attack, our Constitution can be a rallying point uniting citizens of diverse ethnicities, faiths, and ideologies. But the document contains much more than the Founding vision. It also reflects the spirit of antislavery idealists, progressive era reformers, and 1960's activists.

When other courts and commentators revisit the gun issue, they should tell the full story, rather than merely the opening chapter, of American liberty. Akhil Reed Amar and Vikram David Amar are brothers who write about law. Akhil graduated from Yale College and Yale Law School, clerked for then-judge Stephen Breyer, and teaches at Yale Law School. Vikram graduated from U.C. Berkeley and Yale Law School, clerked for Judge William Norris and Justice Harry Blackmun, and teaches at U.C. Hastings College of Law. Their "brothers in law" column appears regularly in Writ, and they are also occasional contributors to publications such as the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Washington Post. Jointly and separately, they have published over one hundred law review review articles and four books.




TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 26thamendment; 2ndamendment; banglist; nationalvoterid; nra; secondamendment; twentysixthamendment; voterid
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To: supercat
I understood ya 100% both posts. That was the response I sought from my first post. Just as the extinguisher and first aid kit have reason and effect so goes the firearm in the individuals possession. Were on the same sheet FRiend, you "reading" my posts ??......

Stay Safe !

61 posted on 11/09/2001 6:31:40 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Fixit
"The phrase "bear arms" in 1789 was at its core a military phrase:"

F, Exactly so! "Arms" are, have been, and always will be implements of war. Which is why "the people" as INDIVIDUALS must NEVER be barred the ownership of arms. IF as this guy submits, "only militias" may bear arms, then there is NO doubt that those militias WILL take over government itself. Whether that "militia" be federal {Taliban}, or local, they WILL RULE!!! Those who are given that power ALWAYS DO!! Throughtout history, there have been NO EXCEPTIONS!!! The ONLY thing that has prevented this in this country for over two hundred years {The LONGEST and only standing form of government "under constitution"}, is "the right of the PEOPLE {individuals} to keep and bear arms. Peace and love, George.

62 posted on 11/09/2001 6:32:08 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: dasboot
This article sucks. It is poorly written and researched. It cites examples that are irrelevant to the question. It seems that the author is trying to justify his beliefs, rather than find an honest answer to his questions. That is how all academia is taught these days, and it is a very bad methodology. It is fascism of thought.
64 posted on 11/09/2001 7:08:34 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Destructor
Exactly right. Once they change the meaning of the phrase "the people" and/or deconstruct simple sentence structure as it relates to our rights, they can change the entire Constitution. "The people" don't have a right to peacefully assemble, only the press does. "the people" don't have the right to redress grievances, only religions do. The way to win this argument is to be stridenly liberal. If you want to defend the second amendment, we must defend the first.
65 posted on 11/09/2001 7:13:28 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Yeah, Reads like something out of my local highschool newspaper, only much worse.

Spawn of John Dean and YALE LAW....... BARF!

66 posted on 11/09/2001 11:48:51 AM PST by dasboot
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To: Squantos
One of the main points that the southern aristocratic supreme court judge said in Dread Scott was that as a citizen he would have the right to be armed wherever he traveled. One of the racist roots of gun control.
67 posted on 11/09/2001 7:28:14 PM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: Fixit; All

The writers make their own case against themselves.

They note that the militia was the people, and the people were the militia.

Then, they simply skip to to the silly conclusion that a right of the people applies only to militia, but not to individuals!

Pure sophistry.


68 posted on 08/13/2018 7:44:37 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: alex

Agreed. Militia is not a military term, it is a popular term used to define the entire body of able-bodied otherwise rightfully armed men wo have the right and responsibility to enforce the security f the “state” (meaning organized body politic of a town, county or state) when necessary. Their right to arms is an individual right, as arms are carried by a person, the person acts as the “arm” of the state. States ( body politic) has a right to protect itself as a more abstract idea using men at arms, whether part of a military or from its citizenry at large as the case may be, against threats to that “state’s” safety.

Why cannot the left understand this simple vertical concept of right to arms? (Person, community, county, state, nation)

Oh, I know, they want the state ( the administration thereof) to be all powerful and able to wield force only on its own accord. The demise of the militia occurred at the enactment of the and creation of the “National Guard”, which eliminated for all intents and purposes the local militia ( whether volunteer or organized or simply the arm man at home. The most insidious bane of liberty for freemen.

Only a few states’ have “militias” at all- mostly called state guards or similar.

The Selective Service Act is often used to describe the “militia” but that is a false proposition, surely the draft is important in case of national mobilization, but it is not a militia for any practical purpose.


69 posted on 08/14/2018 5:16:43 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing

Okay, probably already replied to, but:

1. Militia is the body of able bodied men. This body is not only the militia but the posse comitatus ( power of the county) able to effect any number of causes at law and justice in and of themselves- not a lynch mob, mind you, but the citizenry whose duty it is to rule themselves. The militia is an extension of that just as the legislature, the executive and the courts are. In federal terms, the military ( formal organization) is subject to civil power, in local terms, they are the civil power. This is where the extension of personal rights equates to collective powers.

2. The 2A does not state “limited” it states “shall not be infringed” so yes, there is an unlimited right to arms- remember that we are not talking about organized/crew served weapon systems in specific, although in general they too are in the clause as “arms”. Of course there are restrictions- the people being referred to does not include incarcerated or incompetents, but that status is only determined by courts- adjudicated as disenfranchised ( argument for restoration of rights of convicts is of course a hot button issue) but not one left orphan by the founders- until the later 19th and 20th century permanent restrictions, convicts certainly were re-enfranchised, some by nature of release from custody, others by petition.

3. Ah, what is an “arm”? Well, what is “press” or speech”? Is there a difference? I do not think so. Of course, thermonuclear weapons were not envisioned by the Framers, nor were electronic communications nor high speed printers etc. So, arms must mean anything that one can use for self or state defense- some would argue the M1 Abrams is included, others just small arms suited for dismounted infantry use.... Hard question for many on both sides of the question. Personally, I think small arms suited ofr personal use to include crew served weapons- like what we have in the nominal light infantry of today- Rifles, pistols, machine guns up to 50 cal and perhaps, even explosive weapons like the Mk 19 AGL and other sorts of explosive devices for defense or offense uses.... ( Kevlar and asbestos underwear on now) all of these types of systems and items were in use at the founding- mines, torpedoes grenades etc.

4. No, the NRA is a useful tool of course, but they are a self-perpetuating entity as well. As long as gun rights organizations adhere to the basics of a) restrictions of arms are dangerous and unconstitutional for anyone other than those in custody or incompetent and b) that restoration of rights ought to be the standard, I think they serve a purpose. As it is, most gun groups accept and even write stuff like the GCA, NFA and FOPA etc, as compromises to retain soft gun rights types.... ( but that is just my opinion-which you are paying nothing for but since you asked).

Finally, no gun rights group is standing firm on the 2A- everyone has compromised all the way to where we are- some 20k gun control laws and proof positive that they do not work- what has been shown over and over again to work is liberal gun laws that empower the citizen to be armed almost anywhere they have a right to be ( with some exceptions). The crime rates have plummeted since the 1970s highs to rates lower than the those of the 1950s/60s, so something is working ( with the obvious contrasts in restrictive /cities to those less or least restrictive, for the most part. The compromise is the art of the businessman, not the free citizen of a free nation under laws. Statist (left or right) forces always want individual rights privileges and immunities to be compromised “ for the good of society” they say, but evidence usually if not always proves the opposite case, but the spiral continues.

Hope this helps or at least doesn’t harm.


70 posted on 08/14/2018 9:19:59 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior
The Selective Service Act is often used to describe the “militia” but that is a false proposition, surely the draft is important in case of national mobilization, but it is not a militia for any practical purpose.

Selective Service is TOTALLY dependent upon the idea of the militia being the entire body of citizens capable of bearing arms.

The 13th Amendment bars "involuntary servitude". What, then, would allow the government to draft people involuntarily into the military? The Constitution's Article I Section 8, and Article II section 2, covers calling forth the Militia into federal service. That is what Selective Service does. It is the mechanism by which members of the Militia are called into federal service as needed.

71 posted on 08/14/2018 9:37:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It rubs the rainbow on it's skin or it gets the diversity again!")
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To: PapaBear3625

Equating Civic duty to slavery is rather funny. Slaves don’t get benefits nor the right to fight for liberty by their master. Still, I understand the argument,if only in leftist terms.


72 posted on 08/14/2018 2:04:46 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: moderation_is_not_a_bad_thing; Fixit

I note that this article was published in 2001, before the 2008 Heller decision.

The Heller decision cleared most of this up. :) Not ALL of it, but most of it.


73 posted on 08/14/2018 2:13:05 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The New York Times is a racist hate group. It is Propaganazism.)
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To: marktwain; Squantos
This was an article pre-2008, pre-Heller. Many points the Findlaw people made were directly refuted by the SCOTUS.

And that makes me very happy.

74 posted on 08/14/2018 2:14:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The New York Times is a racist hate group. It is Propaganazism.)
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To: Lazamataz

Yes, thanks for clearing that up.


75 posted on 08/14/2018 2:19:03 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Lazamataz

...hell yep !


76 posted on 08/14/2018 3:29:07 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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