Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

ECONOMY Something strange has been happening with jobless claims numbers lately
CNBC ^ | APR 19 202412:26 PM EDT | Jeff Cox

Posted on 04/19/2024 11:05:37 AM PDT by Red Badger

KEY POINTS

Most of the past several weeks have shown that first-time claims for unemployment benefits haven’t fluctuated at all — as in zero.

A string of weekly reports showing exactly 212,000 initial claims has raised a few eyebrows on Wall Street.

A Labor Department spokesperson noted that while the string of 212,000 prints on the jobless claims data is “uncommon,” it can be attributed to a consistent jobs picture reflected in seasonal adjustments to the data.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Calling the state of the U.S. jobs market these days stable seems like an understatement considering the latest data coming out of the Labor Department.

That’s because most of the past several weeks have shown that first-time claims for unemployment benefits haven’t fluctuated at all — as in zero.

For five of the past six weeks, the level of initial jobless filings totaled exactly 212,000. Given a labor force that is 168 million strong, achieving such stasis seems at least unusual if not uncanny, yet that is what the figures released each Thursday morning since mid-March have shown.

The consistency has raised a few eyebrows on Wall Street. The only week that varied was March 30, with 222,000.

“How is this statistically possible? Five of the last six weeks, the exact same number,” market veteran Jim Bianco, head of Bianco Research, posted Thursday on X.

“Initial claims for unemployment insurance are state programs, with 50 state rules, hundreds of offices, and 50 websites to file. Weather, seasonality, holidays, and economic vibrations drive the number of people filing claims from week to week,” he added. “Yet this measure is so stable that it does not vary by even 1,000 applications a week.”

Others chimed in as well.

“Numbers made up,” one participant on the thread opined, while another said, “Someone’s cooking the books.”

However, others offered more analytical thoughts, attributing the uniformity in data to seasonal adjustments. Tracey Ryniec, a strategist at Zacks Investment Research, suggested: “You can go look at each state Jim. Those vary greatly.”

Indeed, a Labor Department spokesperson noted that while the string of 212,000 prints on the jobless claims data is “uncommon,” it would not be considered anomalous.

The streak “can be reasonably interpreted as an indication that there has been very little volatility in initial claims over this period relative to historical patterns, and that the seasonal adjustment factors are effectively removing seasonality from the aggregate figures reported by states,” the official said.

Moreover, claims not adjusted seasonally have shown substantial fluctuation during the five-week period, registering readings of 202,722; 191,772; 193,921; 197,349; 215,265 and 208,509.

Federal Reserve officials watch the weekly claims numbers as part of their broader assessment of the labor market, which has shown surprising resilience as the central bank has tightened monetary policy.

The Labor Department official also pointed out that new seasonal factors to the claims data were announced a month ago.

“Using the new seasonal adjustment factors, initial claims have been at a fairly consistent level since around mid-September 2023 and even more so since the start of February 2024,” the spokesperson said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-30 last
To: Red Badger

(A string of weekly reports showing exactly 212,000 initial claims has raised a few eyebrows on Wall Street.)

Certainly can’t be because of purposeful lying to cover for the disaster of Joetato.

Nah.. . yeah, that’s the ticket!


21 posted on 04/19/2024 12:25:20 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: OHPatriot

The numbers are lies. I don’t believe anything the government puts out about jobs or inflation. They change the guidelines so the numbers look better. The new seasonal adjustments most likely have something to do with the numbers not moving at all.


22 posted on 04/19/2024 12:31:48 PM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

pedo joe is making up the numbers


23 posted on 04/19/2024 12:56:46 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

These numbers were generated by Dominion Voting Machines. The totals stayed the same, they were just allocated to different states selected by Joe Bribem.


24 posted on 04/19/2024 1:01:21 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

Good grief...as we all know,
seasonal adjustment factors = we fudging the numbers big time


25 posted on 04/19/2024 1:25:07 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TThose look good)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

But chocolate rations have increased.


26 posted on 04/19/2024 1:28:20 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to kill us. Plan to avoid this.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HamiltonJay

yep. My wife has been in the same boat. The numbers are complete garbage. All these “jobs” are either gov or part time. They are also counting freelance. The employment market is TERRIBLE even here in Texas... though we keep claiming that we are doing great.


27 posted on 04/19/2024 1:32:18 PM PDT by StolarStorm
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

Government lies gulped up by morons in media.


28 posted on 04/19/2024 2:46:26 PM PDT by Newtoidaho (All I ask of living is to have no chains on me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

My company laid off about 200 people but they probably have not been counted because they supposedly have a call back date. Even a vague one is enough to not count, I suspect.

That also gives the company a way to avoid paying unemployment and the state a way to deny the claims.

Works out great for everybody except the ones who lost their jobs.


29 posted on 04/19/2024 2:55:55 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Eccl 10:2

The BLM has dozens of ways to report the numbers. Politicians pick and choose whatever supports their narrative.

I wrote a paper in a graduate economics class about that.


30 posted on 04/19/2024 3:00:03 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-30 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson