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No, Joe, Teachers Don’t Deserve a Raise
PJ Media ^ | 11 Mar 2024 | Matt MArgolis

Posted on 03/12/2024 2:55:16 PM PDT by Rummyfan

There's been a lot of talk about Joe Biden's drugged-up performance at the State of the Union. While much of the talk has been about his gaffes, such as referring to Laken Riley as "Lincoln Riley," there was one short line that hasn't gotten much attention that I'd like to address.

After bragging about his defiance of the Supreme Court over student loans, and the need to provide relief, he added, "And while we’re at it, I want to give public school teachers a raise."

Democrats have been pushing for higher pay for teachers forever. It's the least they can do for the teachers' unions that help fund their campaigns and work on the ground for them when elections come around. And that's really what this line was about. Biden was sending a message to public school teachers that if they help get him reelected, they will be rewarded with higher pay.

There's no other logical explanation. He can't argue that teachers deserve a pay raise. He even made the case that they don't deserve higher pay on merit and accidentally pointed out how low our education standards are.

"To remain the strongest economy in the world, we need the best education system in the world," he said, essentially admitting that we don't. I can't imagine anyone claiming that we do at this point.

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To: Alberta's Child

lol.

Yeah. Getting rid of the book learning is super smart and will propel this country to new heights.

Glad we don’t have kings for a day, or any other time frame.


21 posted on 03/12/2024 4:21:38 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: rlmorel

Teachers are dope dealers peddling an antiChrist, antiAmerica world view. Generally speaking, of course; there are exceptions. But the Corporate-Education-Complex is a huge player in the hollowing out of this great nation. To MAGA requires putting that bloated C.E.C. back in its rightful place.


22 posted on 03/12/2024 4:23:22 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: SuperLuminal

I attended private Christian schools and public schools in 3 different states growing up.

Much, and I mean very much more indoctrination happened at the private schools, and at the expense of real education.


23 posted on 03/12/2024 4:23:28 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: monkeyshine
That may be because the schools are a joke to the kids - no discipline, no sense of accountability, no focus, teaching social skills instead of practical skills.

We need to start with k-5 education. If kids start to act up in schools, we need to place them in alternative schools. Same with 6-8.

Once they're in high school, we'll just expel them.

Right now, it is impossible to do that. The political climate is not supportive of us taking drastic action like that. So we have no answer for the time being.

If you're a parent, you'll have to home school your children. Or if you have money, send them to a private school.

24 posted on 03/12/2024 4:35:38 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Teachers should first have to take the same standardized tests that high schoolers are required to take.

And any teacher who does not score proficient in reading, writing, and math immediately fired.

You cannot teach what you do not yourself know.


25 posted on 03/12/2024 4:50:51 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The home school kids and the kids with well off parents aren't really the problem. It's the other kids. They either need to be taken from a bad environment, or sent from a bad environment. And I agree, the political climate isn't there for the state to do anything close to that. But maybe there is a climate to allow for school choice, after which parents can be given the opportunity to send their kids off to alternative schools. It has worked in various communities where charter type schools were set up. It needs to go another step and expand to other areas. To get the political climate in support, it needs to prove to the voters that this is not just viable but worthwhile.

But, the point here was teacher's salary. Obvious from Biden this is just a voting bloc strategy. It's not serious. I still say teachers - the very best teachers - could make several $100,000 a year if they took control over their own schools. They would need to make their schools competitive and attractive to bring in voucher bearing parents. Sure, some teachers like the current system. Those teachers - the decent ones - can make a decent living too just doing the work. The crappy teachers, well, they won't get hired by the very best teachers who run the very best schools at all. It's the pareto principle or as I knew it, the 80/20 rule. 80% of the productivity comes from 20% of the input. 20% of the teachers are great. 80% are not so great. Inversely, 20% of the teachers suck, 80% do not. Time to cut that 20% loose.

26 posted on 03/12/2024 4:56:55 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: monkeyshine
But maybe there is a climate to allow for school choice, after which parents can be given the opportunity to send their kids off to alternative schools.

Maybe in Florida. But that won't be an option in many states, especially California and New York.

27 posted on 03/12/2024 5:01:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Political Junkie Too
Biden said we needed tutors to help get students to a 3rd grade reading level. Why should teachers get a raise when they can't even educate our children to a 3rd grade level?

EXACTLY !

28 posted on 03/12/2024 6:01:17 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk
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To: Rummyfan

How about they pay teachers minimum wage until their College loans are zeroed out by THEM? That would mean they were lairnin’ sum maths.

Seriously though, they should go to a Teachers College after being able to pass tests to prove they are fluent in a course to be taught. My gramma went to school, until she could pass the test to go to a Teachers school. She worked as a helper to pay for said school. When she could pass the test, she taught for years. She was whip smart even into her late 80’s.

She also was Postmistress of the County, cooked breakfast for her Brothers Ranch in the AM with her kids helping, and raised 8 without her Husband who died when his oldest was 18.

Who here thinks teachers since the 1970’s could do as good a job?

Some could, but very few.


29 posted on 03/12/2024 6:06:40 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Rummyfan

Yes, they DO deserve a raise. I am a die hard Conservative who has worked in a school. While the Union Leaders are Dem, many teachers are not. The Feds have not only created a huge number of families who live off the system and believe education is a waste of time - they require teachers to take the blame for students who refuse to learn, since they never plan on earning a paycheck. Add to that the fact that Federal rules now will punish or fire any teacher who so much as touches a student. If a student throws spitballs at the teacher they know there are no repercussions because, by Federal Law, they are entitled to an education to the age of 17 and cannot be expelled. Teachers are the ultimate victim of a Federal Government run amuck and receive the blame when “Johnny can’t read” even though Johnny never so much an opened a book.


30 posted on 03/12/2024 6:16:59 PM PDT by onevoter ( )
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To: Rummyfan

Teacher’s pay is decided at state/local level.


31 posted on 03/12/2024 6:28:09 PM PDT by Rusty0604 (W looking for new conspiracy theories as all the old ones have come true)
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To: Nervous Tick

“Teachers are dope dealers peddling an antiChrist, antiAmerica world view.”

My wife is a math teacher. Half of the problem is stupid parents. The schools around here don’t pay squat and teaching is a big clique.


32 posted on 03/12/2024 6:42:50 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: PLMerite

the only way to become a certified teacher is to get schooled by certified teachers. That is professional incest.


33 posted on 03/12/2024 6:48:13 PM PDT by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: Political Junkie Too

My granddaughter is a freshman in high school and taking physics this semester. She’s finding it very difficult and says the teacher is awful. My daughter enlisted the son of a friend ,who is a physics major in college, to tutor her. They do the lessons via Zoom and yesterday she got an 88, the 3rd highest grade in the class. Many of he kids failed.


34 posted on 03/12/2024 6:57:15 PM PDT by surrey
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To: PLMerite

>> Half of the problem is stupid parents.

Another half of the problem is lazy public that doesn’t spend the time to exercise their role as overseers of the school board.

Yet another half of the problem is the board itself: too many activist progressive school boards, and too many boards populated by trustees that see it as an “honorary” position and rubber-stamp everything the administration wants.

Let’s summarize... half the problem is progressive teachers; half is stupid parents; half is lazy We The People; half is evil + lazy school boards...

1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 ... my goodness, we have TWO WHOLE PROBLEMS here! No wonder public education is a hot mess.

(Ask your wife to check my math. :-) )


35 posted on 03/12/2024 7:02:47 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: bankwalker

>> That is professional incest

Yep, and the inbreeding is making them mentally unbalanced and retarded, as in any other critter.


36 posted on 03/12/2024 7:04:25 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

I’d be willing to bet that a lot of “teachers” couldn’t pass those tests. Affirmative Action has torn America apart. That’s why the fart-left turd rollers don’t want Trump to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. The first thing that would have to be done is Affirmative Action would need to be cut out. America has way too many morons who are in over their heads.


37 posted on 03/12/2024 8:49:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Could a "caravan" of freeloading U.S. citizens be able to make it into Mexico before they are shot?)
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To: Fuzz
You will not find a post anywhere in my years on FR where I have advocated the elimination of “book learning.” In fact, I have long believed that education is almost as important as breathing when it comes to human existence.

Education is so important that it drives two things in my mind related to my previous post:

1. It’s too important to let the government into it.

2. No parent and/or child should ever be in a position where the child’s education is hampered by sharing classrooms with useless children with mutant parents who don’t value education.

38 posted on 03/13/2024 2:52:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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