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No, Joe, Teachers Don’t Deserve a Raise
PJ Media ^ | 11 Mar 2024 | Matt MArgolis

Posted on 03/12/2024 2:55:16 PM PDT by Rummyfan

There's been a lot of talk about Joe Biden's drugged-up performance at the State of the Union. While much of the talk has been about his gaffes, such as referring to Laken Riley as "Lincoln Riley," there was one short line that hasn't gotten much attention that I'd like to address.

After bragging about his defiance of the Supreme Court over student loans, and the need to provide relief, he added, "And while we’re at it, I want to give public school teachers a raise."

Democrats have been pushing for higher pay for teachers forever. It's the least they can do for the teachers' unions that help fund their campaigns and work on the ground for them when elections come around. And that's really what this line was about. Biden was sending a message to public school teachers that if they help get him reelected, they will be rewarded with higher pay.

There's no other logical explanation. He can't argue that teachers deserve a pay raise. He even made the case that they don't deserve higher pay on merit and accidentally pointed out how low our education standards are.

"To remain the strongest economy in the world, we need the best education system in the world," he said, essentially admitting that we don't. I can't imagine anyone claiming that we do at this point.

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You want to give teachers a raise? Fine. Fire half of the administrative staff of every school district in the country elementary through high school, and use that money to give teachers a raise.

1 posted on 03/12/2024 2:55:16 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

Not one extra cent for teachers. They have thrown vast amounts of money at teachers for as long as I can remember, and the results are pathetically bad.

Embarrassingly bad.

They have a lot of gall asking for more money.


2 posted on 03/12/2024 2:57:29 PM PDT by rlmorel (In Today's Democrat America, The $5 Dollar Bill is the New $1 Dollar Bill.)
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To: Rummyfan

Teachers should be paid upon the school’s national test results with a ten dollar bonus for each child who can read, write and do math.


3 posted on 03/12/2024 2:58:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Could a "caravan" of freeloading U.S. citizens be able to make it into Mexico before they are shot?)
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To: Rummyfan

If they’re talking pronouns and sex lives with the kids, they deserve pay cuts and jail as sex offenders.


4 posted on 03/12/2024 3:00:04 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Rummyfan
Biden said we needed tutors to help get students to a 3rd grade reading level. Why should teachers get a raise when they can't even educate our children to a 3rd grade level?

-PJ

5 posted on 03/12/2024 3:01:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Rummyfan

sounds like agreement has neen reached on the trick

now they are just haggeling on price

how much do grooming ho’s get nowadays ?


6 posted on 03/12/2024 3:03:55 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: Rummyfan

Three issues with this article...

First, there are very few, if any, “teachers” in the government classrooms since the 1980s...

Second, those people in those classrooms are more accurately labeled as “indoctrinators”...

Three, these indoctrinators are vastly overpaid...


7 posted on 03/12/2024 3:06:02 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: Rummyfan
In far too many school districts, teaching jobs are for unemployable women.

If I was king for a day, the first two things I would do:

1. Eliminate public schools.

2. Eliminate compulsory education laws.

8 posted on 03/12/2024 3:06:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Rummyfan

Our town reviews the teachers salary every couple of years. They do a good job of making sure our teachers are well compensated and we provide a good work/learning environment.

We pay a ton of property taxes to support that. Our residents can afford that.

There are a lot of places that cannot do that. But it’s not up to federal government to decide who gets a raise or not. That is always best to do at the local level.


9 posted on 03/12/2024 3:13:41 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Rummyfan

Teachers and cops are both unionized and way overpaid in my area.


10 posted on 03/12/2024 3:14:20 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Rummyfan

When someone tell you we need to give teachers ask them why?

The usual response is then we will get better teachers.

Then, ask them if they intend to replace the previous teachers with the new teachers?

Usually, the answer is why would we do that?

Because you wanted better teachers than the ones you had.


11 posted on 03/12/2024 3:25:29 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: SuperLuminal

Second, those people in those classrooms are more accurately labeled as “indoctrinators”...


Retired public-school teacher here. In far too many classrooms the adults could more accurately be labeled as ‘sitters’.

The decline in what is expected of students, teachers and schools over the course of my career is depressing. If you really want to see how far we’ve fallen, check out a copy of McGuffey’s Sixth Eclectic Reader and see if a sixth grader can actually read and understand it. Here’s a link:
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/16751/pg16751-images.html

And here is short except from the first reading selection—remember this was read at the beginning of the sixth grade.
I. ANECDOTE OF THE DUKE OF NEWCASTLE.

A laughable story was circulated during the administration of the old Duke of Newcastle, and retailed to the public in various forms. This nobleman, with many good points, was remarkable for being profuse of his promises on all occasions, and valued himself particularly on being able to anticipate the words or the wants of the various persons who attended his levees, before they uttered a word. This sometimes led him into ridiculous embarrassment; and it was this proneness to lavish promises, which gave occasion for the following anecdote:

At the election of a certain borough in Cornwall, where the opposite interests were almost equally poised, a single vote was of the highest importance. This object the Duke, by well applied argument and personal application, at length attained; and the gentleman he recommended, gained the election. In the warmth of gratitude, his grace poured forth acknowledgments and promises without ceasing, on the fortunate possessor of the casting vote; called him his best and dearest friend; protested, that he should consider himself as forever indebted to him; and that he would serve him by night or by day.


12 posted on 03/12/2024 3:30:19 PM PDT by hanamizu ( )
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To: Rummyfan

The WSJ reported on a study of college degrees which ranked the degrees on the abilities of those enrolled and the difficulty of the degrees. The SAT/ACT was used to rate abilities and the curriculum was used to rate difficulty.

Journalism rated second from the bottom on both scales which tell you alot about the quality of the news we received and why our news is biased to the left.

Education was the lowest on both scales of all degree fields.

I knew many education majors in college. Most were girls and I liked girls. A typical assignment was to make a collage, ie, cut out picutures that related to a subject and arrange them on a poster board.


13 posted on 03/12/2024 3:30:43 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Too often teachers who cannot teach get moved into administrative jobs in the edu bureaucracy. They become curriculum specialists like they would know the best way to teach something they already failed to teach. They should be tested and if they cannot read and write at a tenth grade level they should be returned to the classrooms as a teachers aid. Don’t fire them or even cut their pay. It is not their fault they were hired in the first place. Many will leave on their own and the ones who stay likely are trainable. New hires for classroom jobs should be tested to a higher standard.


14 posted on 03/12/2024 3:42:38 PM PDT by your other brother
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To: Rummyfan

Manners before knowledge

The Japanese school system pays special attention to the behavior and manners of kids from a young age. The entire community is involved in raising the kids so the school takes a major role in setting good morals. There is a separate curriculum for kids to follow where they learn life skills.


15 posted on 03/12/2024 3:44:44 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Rummyfan

You want to give teachers a raise? Get rid of the public school systems. Let the teachers create their own schools through limited partnerships. Give the parents a voucher to send their kids to the school(s) of their choice. The teachers will be owners and partners in the school, they can hire their own administrators, their own accountants, their own board of directors, hire their own lunch contractors and maintenance crews etc. Lease or sell existing schools to these new private schools - they could even be subdivided, structured like universities where they have different sections of the school for different aged kids.

And while I’m ranting - why does a kid have to go to the same school every day? The structure of trying to teach a kid a subject in 45 minute increments a day isn’t necessarily sensible. Why not go to a two hour math class 3 days a week, a two hour science class two days a week, a two hour civics class two days a week, a two hour history class two days a week or something similarly more immersive and focused? These don’t even all have to be on the same campus. If you excel at Math, go to a better math campus for that period of time. I you need help in English, go to a special school for English three days a week etc.

The entire concept needs a rethink. The best teachers will make a lot more money and vested equity balanced by accountability by their partners and boards.


16 posted on 03/12/2024 3:44:52 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Look at my reply #15. Most of our students are feral. So we can't educate them right now.

We need to be like the Japanese. Once we teach them how to behave, then they will be ready to learn.

17 posted on 03/12/2024 3:46:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: DugwayDuke

My Mom was a 1st to 3rd grade Reading teacher.

When her school system decide to go from a phonics reading system to sight reading system, She went balletic on steroids.

She won.

Don’t know what happened after she retired. (at 72! She loved teaching!)


18 posted on 03/12/2024 3:58:42 PM PDT by lizma2
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To: MinorityRepublican

That may be because the schools are a joke to the kids - no discipline, no sense of accountability, no focus, teaching social skills instead of practical skills. The bulk of parents have no say in where their kids can go to school. It is based on their zip code and street address. They have almost no control over the choice of school, they education received, the manner in which they are educated, and frankly the manner in which they are disciplined or held accountable. The kids often don’t want to go in the morning, and can’t wait to leave in the afternoon. We don’t ask much of the schools, and so the schools don’t ask much of the kids, and we don’t demand more than just a place to park the kids for the daylight hours.

I’d say that in a large enough number of cases, if the parents - even somewhat neglectful or ‘throw their hands in the air’ parents - would want their kids to do and be better. Give them a choice to send the kids to an academy. Maybe even a boarding school. Someplace where the kids will have positive social interactions, things to do, and no idle time. If the parents can’t raise them right, and/or if the environment is toxic (either in the home, in the school, or in the community) then maybe the kids deserve a chance to get out of it for 5 days a week to some place where there are expectations, rules, consequences and rewards. So much of this is peer driven; so it will take time, but each new kid will ultimately be accountable to his or her peers as much as to the faculty and staff. And then, to society at large.


19 posted on 03/12/2024 4:12:46 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Rummyfan
Not that it's in any president's authority to raise pay pf public school teachers, but face it.

From a Democrat point of view they are doing a very good job. Especially the castrations.

20 posted on 03/12/2024 4:15:06 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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