Posted on 02/26/2024 7:42:43 PM PST by Kazan
On Sunday, The New York Times published a rare US admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine’s wartime decision-making but has established and financed high-tech command-and-control spy centers and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.
According to Zero Hedge, The New York Times admitted that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine’s intelligence services has “transformed” the former Soviet state and its capabilities into “Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today.”
Zero Hedge reported:
This means that with the disclosure of the longtime “closely guarded secret” the world just got a big step closer to WW3, given it means the CIA is largely responsible for the effectiveness of the recent spate of attacks which have included direct drone hits on key oil refineries and energy infrastructure.
A main source of the NYT revelations—disclosures which might come as no surprise to those never willing to so easily swallow the mainstream ‘official’ narrative of events—is identified as a top intelligence commander named Gen. Serhii Dvoretskiy.
Clearly, Kiev and Washington now want the world to know of the deep intelligence relationship they tried to conceal for over the past decade.
Kanekoa the Great posted this viral report earlier today on X.
The New York Times disclosed yesterday that the CIA built “12 Secret Spy Bases” in Ukraine, waging a shadow war against Russia for the past decade.
After a U.S.-supported violent coup toppled Ukraine’s democratically elected government, CIA Director John Brennan visited Kyiv in April 2014.
Shortly after, the new Ukrainian government launched an “anti-terror operation” against its Russian-speaking citizens in Eastern Ukraine.
For eight years leading up to Russia’s invasion in 2022, Ukraine’s government, with help from the CIA, relentlessly bombed Eastern Ukraine.
Millions of innocent civilians were caught in the crossfire of a geopolitical chess match between Russia and the United States.
This is part of the story often ignored by the Western press.
The CIA was involved in relentless bombing of civilians FOR YEARS in the Donbas region after the CIA helped to overthrow the elected government of Ukraine in 2014.
The CIA is a dangerous force acting against the peace and security of the American people. Secret budget. Secret Operations. No conscience. No accountability.
It is a deadly agency having no business residing inside the U.S. government in a republic of the people, by the people and for the people. It is accountable to nobody.
It won’t even follow the orders of an American president with whom it disagrees.
The CIA must be dismantled and defunded before it succeeds in destroying America in World War III.
I think this comes to no surprise to those that have even the most basic clue of how these things really work.
IMHO... and this is a conspiracy theory:
The situation we put the Russians in, was so ridiculous, over the top, and impossible for them, that we wanted this war. It is near impossible to imagine that our folks did not anticipate a war with Russia when we pulled this from our @ss, unconditionally, fast tracked it, and didn't negotiate or talk to the Russians about this in earnest after the decision: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
We put the Russians in a position where if they acquiescence we win (we get Ukraine for almost nothing). If they attack, we also win. How?
I do not believe Ukraine is our real top priority / goal.
For Europe and NATO it is, but IMHO for us there is a global and strategic interest at play.
I believe the real intent is to deplete Russia, to weaken them on the world stage to a point where their frontier nations Venezuela, Syria, Libya, Niger, all become easy targets for us to “spread democracy, sovereignty and human rights” (even if we install a dictator backed by us there) while taking control of most of the major oil producing nation that are aligned with them.
Just look at what has been happening:
Iraq 2003: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
Libya 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
Syria 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
Ukraine 2022-ongoing: self evident.
Niger 2019-(ongoing): https://www.lemonde.fr/en/le-monde-africa/article/2023/12/06/niger-chooses-russia-over-europe_6318064_124.html
Russia is a “has been” conventional military power. They are a hollow shell of what they once were. My speculation: It's actually us that is the shark in water that smells blood.
Think about this. Ukraine is the one bleeding, not us. Ukraine has taken the brunt of the pain. They are the proverbial “useful idiot” in a global chess game between the US and Russia.
We are going after Russia, we have been for a while. We have been literally invading nations aligned (Iraq, Libya) or even formal allies (Syria) with them, sponsoring coups as in Ukraine and Venezuela. You don't see us getting involved in Armenia on behalf of the people there, do you?
Think about this. Russia did not accept when we pulled the same crap in the Republic of Georgia 2008. They did not accept this in 2014. Why would they accept NATO East expansion in Ukraine now?
The great gamble: we had been arming, training and feeding Ukraine intel products in large scale since 2014. For Russia, taking physical action to block NATO expansion into Ukraine would be costly.
I do not think it's all going quite the way we expected. But war never does. I don't think we expected Russia to prevail like they did in Ukraine, to be as economically resiliant and imunized to our typical monetary actions and sanctions to even turn the sanctions against us to some degree (massive expanse of BRICS etc), to hold onto their frontier like they are. I don't think we anticipated Russia leveraging the Middle East issues against us as well as they have.
We have been pushing around third rate armies in corrupt nations with a backward culture (Middle East and Africa). I think this has gone to our head. Russia may no longer be the superpower they were, but they are also no twerp we can use as a floor-mat.
The Soviets would have SPOKEN UP if it was a problem as they knew that our side had ADULTS running it. So, like I say, whatever was going on didn’t bother the Soviets.
Putin has Asperger's, and Russia had absolutely no idea that Ukraine was modernizing, getting armed and trained by us, etc. What do you think is the probability that Russia actually knew where all 12 of these bases were/are?
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I appreciate your point of view.
I’m sure you know this forum is monitored by the FBI and NSA.
Sad that they don’t have better things to do.
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The Serbian government was being a pain from the beginning in Yugoslavia. Miloslevic began the whole mess, you will recall, when he put the rest of the then “republics” in a bind, by declaring the unilateral authority of the Serbian government over the others.
It was no longer a coalition of equals but Serbia uber alles. Very much a dick move.
Hence the others left, mostly in a very bloody mess, opposed by Serbian military forces.
The Soviets were playing the same spy game as everyone else. They knew the Finns didnt really have their backs, the opposite was the case, but they really didnt want the mess of trying to take over and rule them directly. So both sides played pretend.
Something similar went on with “neutral” Austria.
None of which was our business.
The CIA runs the Ukraine, runs Zelensky, runs Col. Vindman and ran the coup against Trump. Today is runs the lawfare campaign against Trump.
You ability to willingly not see things is.... disturbing.
Your ability to assume things is dreary.
Anti-Trump is a cultural obsession among a certain type of person. It is a tribalism.
Your problems are not with “the CIA”, though its very compromised, but with millions of people who staff and run all your institutions.
And these institutions mostly do the work they were founded to do. They just do it while hating the guts of people who aren’t in their tribe.
Your world view is dreadfully simplistic.
“But whatever Trump said and did, his administration often went in the other direction. This is because Trump…”
Thought his force of personality would rule and override everyone else. He gave little thought to his cabinet. Especially the legal eagles. It was his greatest weakness.
Hopefully this time he makes cabinets appts like his SC picks. Stellar.
The Cold War was still on when it started, and after that it was the chaotic post-Cold War in Russia and Eastern Europe. Nobody wanted copycat Miloslevics. The Cold War outcome was still being decided, and the US had to finish it by winning the peace.
Your institutions? Freudian slip there?
On that we both agree.
This dovetails with the “conspiracy theory” that Lloyd Austin is not suffering from cancer, but is instead suffering from injuries he got while visiting one of these CIA bases in Ukraine.
I’m not American. I am Spanish.
These are your institutions, not mine.
I am in most ways wholly dependent on them, as my income and assets are in the US, but nevertheless it is so.
I must say it is very generous of you to be so apologetic for so many malignancies in
our American institutions especially considering your dependence upon them.
I’ll tell you, the more I learn about this Brennan fellow, the more I dislike him!
(Hat tip to the late great Norm MacDonald)
Yes, they are very generous.
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