Posted on 01/23/2024 10:44:55 AM PST by devane617
A bill that would protect historical memorials, including controversial monuments to the Confederacy erected after the Civil War by White citizens’ groups, moved through a committee in the Senate, powered by a Republican supermajority on the Senate Committee on Governmental Oversight and Accountability.
No Democrat supported this measure.
Sen. Jonathan Martin’s bill (SB 1122) would impose penalties on local officials who removed those and other historical monuments after July 1, 2024. That mirrors a House companion in key ways, including potential removal from office by the Governor, as well as civil penalties and required restitution for monument restoration from the responsible lawmakers’ personal accounts.
The measure is intended to “protect Floridian and American history,” the sponsor said. Though he was reluctant to champion Confederate monuments explicitly, Democrats and members of the public, many of whom remember the bill from 2023’s attempt, made the point that the gist of the bill was a way to give the losers in historical conflicts equal time with the winners.
(Excerpt) Read more at floridapolitics.com ...
“a way to give the losers in historical conflicts equal time with the winners”
Maybe not equal time, but the losers do have the right to remember their dead.
This should be done Nationally.
GOOD
I wish they would go after an Arlington Cemetery Protection bill also. I have some close friends buried there. Four to be exact. I’d hate to see the triggered freedom-hating bastards digging them up.
Makes you wonder why Woko-Pinkos would have a problem with that--other than that they're spoiled children with bad will. But maybe it goes deeper than that. The core of Marxism, the only discernible philosophy behind the DEI cause, including its devout erasure of history, is atheism. And yet the Commies are afraid of the Confederate supporters and all other charitable people who pray for them--as one must, whether friend or foe.
The only mechanism I can see here is that the liberals are 1) terrified that anyone is having a thought independent of theirs; and 2) secretly afraid that conservatives have been secretly praying Confederate soldiers into Heaven, where they might be issued arms to return to earth and help eject Biden from the Whitey House.
It's amazing how after all these years the Dims are still obsessed with race.
“many of whom remember the bill from 2023’s attempt, made the point that the gist of the bill was a way to give the losers in historical conflicts equal time with the winners.”
What people fail to understand is that each and every Confederate and Union soldier are Americans. So define “losers” and “winners” as you wish. If we tear down monuments, we are all losers. If you want to make a point that expresses something contrary to an existing historic monument, put up your own monument. That’s how adults handle this issue.
The rhetorical children amongst our fellow Americans throw tantrums, destroy, and are violent until they get their way.
If they insist on treating others and things that are important to others this way, they will be especially surprised and bitter when the exact same thing happens to them and those things that they think matter, because they are children and are unable to think ahead.
Firstly, that is a lie. That was not the gist of the bill. And, secondly, the right of Yankees to dispose of Southern memorials in the South is equal to the right of the Vietnamese to dispose of Vietnam War memorials in the US, losers being losers and all.
Florida wasn’t part of the confederacy. Why are they putting this bill up?
Florida participated in the American Civil War as a member of the Confederate States of America. It had been admitted to the United States as a slave state in 1845. In January 1861, Florida became the third Southern state to secede from the Union after the November 1860 presidential election victory of Abraham Lincoln. It was one of the initial seven slave states which formed the Confederacy on February 8, 1861, in advance of the American Civil War.
I once visited the site of the Battle of Natural Bridge, a Confederate victory near Tallahassee.
GFY
Plus one
Well the Vietnamese are fairly magnanimous I think
Fearing China like they do they want to be on reasonable terms
But it’s not about that
It’s pure virtue signaling and race baiting from the woke and plenty proto neocons including a long time cabal here are in on it
Tossing southerners into the white South African and former Rhodesia sandbox is fine with them and I think they use it as a tool to deflect charges the right is racist
“No we’re not its those damn southerners”
(Like where are we gonna go?)
Well you may not have noticed but we left
Rare to find a bonafide white southerner who appreciates and honors all his ancestry who is not on the Trump train
His must reliable block there is
With few exceptions like MT here those who deride Dixie are also TDS klowns
Coincidence?
They are trying to wipe out the community reminders of our Civil War...in order to more effectively sow the ground for the next one they’re trying to gin up
Hopefully the south and whoever else joins in will win this time
(Reality check follows)
An American civil war of magnitude will bring the entire world dune with it and Africa will return to mass starvation
And what’ll we end up with?
Who knows
The death toll could be billions
A new dark ages
Nation of any size best suited to survive it is ironically Putin land
Id rather see a peaceful partition
And it’s more urban versus everyone else than anything else
A fair amount of class and race delineation too
It’s a damn mess and snuck up on me
Progressivism just creeps into everyone more insidiously after boomers and we boomers suck bad enough
Open borders allowed in many many democrats too
And the GOPe is hardly better
Who knows?
Most screwed up groups
Single moms and Gen Z College girls
“They should call it the “Democrat Party’s Confederate Monuments Bill”.”
The Confederacy had no political parties. Its office holders were a mix of former Democrats and Cotton Whigs.
Lincoln’s VP Andrew Johnson was a Democrat, as were some Cabinet officers, as well as some Union Army Generals.
The habit of turning the Civil War into “Republicans vs Democrats” is a credit to the poor state of American education.
Lincoln's VP Andrew Johnson was because Lincoln created a temporary "Unity Party" for the 1864 election to show that the mostly Republican Union and mostly Democrat south needs to work on coming together. Particularly with it being pretty clear by then that the Dims were about to lose the war.
The Confederacy had no political parties. Its office holders were a mix of former Democrats and Cotton Whigs. and The habit of turning the Civil War into “Republicans vs Democrats” is a credit to the poor state of American education.
Hmmm...let's see what the leaders themselves said before and during the Civil War. Not just random statements, but in their formal documents.
In South Carolina's secession declaration they state: "On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government.". Obviously they saw it as a battle of political parties, at least in part.
In Mississippi's secession declaration they stated: "It has recently obtained control of the Government...". Again, a clear reference to the Republican Party winning the November 1960 elections. Sounds like they too saw it as a dispute between the political parties, at least in part.
In Florida's Declaration of secession: "The members of the Republican party has denied that the party will oppose the admission of any new state where slavery shall be tolerated. But on the contrary they declare that on this point they will make no concession or compromise. It is manifest that they will not because to do so would be the dissolution of the party." Sounds like at least part of it was about political parties.
In the 4th state to secede, Alabama, they stated: "Whereas, the election of Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin to the offices of president and vice-president of the United States of America...". Evidently they too thought it was a battle of the parties.
In Georgia's Secession Declaration I see "Republican party" three times.
That's reviewing the first 5 states to succeed. I won't bother with the others. Note that these quotes aren't from some little known staffers or from some speech. These are from their secession declaration documents and should be treated as representing their true purpose, just like we treat the US Declaration of Independence.
So let's look at the 1861 Confederacy election and see what political parties won offices, shall we?
President: Jefferson Davis -- Democrat right before he became "non partisan". I guess that's like "independent" Bernie Sanders. LOL
Vice President: Alexander Stephens -- Democrat
President of the Provisional Congress of the Confederacy (creating the Confederate Constitution): Howell Cobb -- Democrat
1st Confederate Senate: 22 Democrats, 4 Whig (Senators Baker of Florida, Davis of North Carolina, Henry of Tennessee, and Preston of Virginia). These are their party affiliations in 1860. Hmmmmm....if literally 85% of the Confederate Senate were Dims can we say that they were a "mix of former Democrats and Cotton Whigs"? I gave you the benefit of the doubt until I researched each of the 26 Confederate senate members (in their 1st confederate congress elected in 1861). I see no reason to waste time doing the same for the 100+ of the Confederate House.
Time to face the truth that the Dims own the Confederacy. No century and a half of revisionist history can change their true past.
“The most striking feature of Confederate politics was the absence of political parties. Unlike the United States, which benefitted from a vigorous competition between Democrats and Republicans, the Confederacy enjoyed no such organized debate”
https://www.essentialcivilwarcurriculum.com/union-and-confederate-politics.html
That’s a typical observation of historians of the political organization of the Confederacy since it’s basic fact. And “facts are stubborn things” to quote the old Federalist John Adams.
The fact that Confederacy lacked political parties isn’t the only problem with the notion that the War was Republican vs Democrat since it would also require the Union North to have been only Republican when it wasn’t.
Lincoln’s 1864 VP was Democrat Andrew Johnson. His commanding General of the Union Army was George McClellan, who would run for President on the 1864 Democratic Ticket. His Secretary of War Edwin Stanton was a Democrat.
Martin Van Buren, the primary founder of the Democratic Party and its second elected President, supported the Union.
The idea that the Union North was all Republican and the Confederacy all Democrat appeals to people who like history to be neat and tidy and as simple as a child’s story.
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