Posted on 11/22/2023 7:07:51 AM PST by SJackson
[Make sure to read Daniel Greenfield’s contributions in Jamie Glazov’s new book: Barack Obama’s True Legacy: How He Transformed America.]
Ever since Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists, along with ordinary Arab Muslims from Gaza, invaded Israel, murdered, raped and kidnapped women and children, the debate has been about how innocent they are. And how easy Israel should be willing to go on them.
In the weeks since, Israel has been lectured about a “disproportionate” response and the urgent need to avoid civilian casualties. That’s a little tricky when fighting an Islamic terrorist group whose only real defensive strategy is hiding behind civilians. Fighting Islamic terrorists without killing civilians is like trying to invade Russia while avoiding cold weather. It’s impossible.
But ever since the Bush administration decided that the real problem in Afghanistan and Iraq was not a cult and a culture of death, but a lack of democracy, our elites have been busy pretending that over a thousand years of terror was due to a lack of free and fair elections.
The Bush administration got its elections in the West Bank and Gaza. And Hamas won. Then Obama got his elections in Egypt and across North Africa, and the Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization of Hamas and Al Qaeda, won. We’re still dealing with the fallout from that.
‘Democracy’ handed over Iraq and Gaza to Iran. And as a result ISIS emerged.
As Hamas uses ICU patients and babies in NICUs as human shields for its bases, what do the “ordinary Palestinians”, the ones liberals are convinced are innocent parties in all this, think?
A recent poll of Arab Muslim residents of the West Bank and Gaza, known as ‘Palestinians’ circa 1967, conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD) asked them.
74% supported the Hamas atrocities of Oct 7. Of these 59% “extremely” support them and another 15% only “somewhat”. Only 7% were “extremely against” and 5% somewhat against.
That’s 74% in favor of murdering, raping and kidnapping Jews and only 12% against.
Only 7% were ‘extremely’ against murdering and abducting children.
Is this a moral or a tactical objection? Let’s look at the breakdown by region.
83% of those in the West Bank, ruled by the Palestinian Authority, said that they supported the Hamas atrocities. Only 7% were opposed. In Gaza, there was notably less enthusiasm at 63%. But after weeks of bombings and raids, only 20% seem to have decided it was a bad idea.
Why were only 7% of those in the West Bank, but 20% of those in Gaza opposed?
Do those extra 13% of Gazans reflect a people (slightly) more likely to value human life or terrorist supporters who, like their comrades in the West Bank, like it better when someone else is doing the fighting? If the attack had come from the West Bank, would 83% (instead of just 63%) of those in Gaza be enthusiastic about the massacre and beheading of Israelis?
The survey asked a few more questions that got to the heart of it.
A majority believed that the Hamas atrocities were an Islamic response to the “defilement of Al Aqsa” by allowing Jews to set foot on the former site of the Holy Temple.
98% in Gaza and the West Bank said that they felt ‘pride’ as ‘Palestinians’ over the war.
74% expect the fighting to end with the defeat of Israeli forces in Gaza.
Only 17% support a two-state solution while 77.7% want to destroy Israel and replace it with a ‘Palestinian’ state.
Are there innocent civilians in Gaza? Probably a lot fewer than in Berlin or Tokyo in 1944.
The Germans supported Hitler and the Japanese backed the Imperial war machine. Those dissidents and opponents who disagreed not just on tactical grounds, but on moral ones, were a small minority. They’re a far tinier minority among the so-called Palestinians.
The ‘Palestinian’ majority wants a war to destroy Israel fought by Islamic terrorists.
They’re not complaining and crying for a ceasefire because they don’t want a war, but because they’re losing the war that they wanted. They still want the war, they just want to be winning it.
When you spend all of your time dreaming of invading and destroying another country, you may be a civilian, but you’re no more innocent than your average Nazi Party member.
Currently Hamas is a good deal more popular in the West Bank (88% approval rating) than it is in Gaza (59% approval rating), but the Al Aqsa Brigade, the military part of Hamas, scores big in the West Bank (86% approval) and at (69%) in Gaza. Those are numbers Biden would kill for.
And don’t mistake even the nearly 9 out of 10 in the West Bank and 7 out of 10 in Gaza as a lack of enthusiasm for Islamic terrorism.
The Al Qassam Brigades, the direct terrorist arm of Hamas, is at 95% approval in the West Bank and 78% in Gaza.
Islamic Jihad scores 93% in the West Bank and 72% in Gaza.
The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade is at 88% in the West Bank and at 70% in Gaza.
But let’s go back to democracy. Whom do they want running the place?
75% of those in the West Bank and 68% of those in Gaza want a national unity government of the various Islamic terrorist groups that would naturally include Hamas.
Isn’t democracy a beautiful thing? The ‘Palestinian’ people want to be ruled by terrorists. They want a war. And then they cry to the cameras when the war they demanded actually happens.
That’s what ‘Palestinians’ want and whom they like. Whom don’t they like? Everyone.
98% of the Arab Muslim settlers in the West Bank hate America as do 96.8% of those in Gaza. That’s still better than the UK which is hated by 100% of Arab Muslim colonists in the West Bank and Gaza. They actually hate America and the UK more than Israel which is only at 97.3%.
But don’t feel too bad, Americans, Israelis and Brits, because they hate everyone.
Not a single country, and that includes Iran, gets even a 5% ‘very positive’ rating. 63% don’t like Iran, 27% like it, and only 4% really like it even though it bled itself dry financing their terrorism.
64% don’t like Turkey even though Erdogan, its Islamic dictator, pulled out all the stops for them.
85% don’t like Egypt, 86% don’t like Jordan, 95% don’t like Saudi Arabia, and 95% don’t like the UAE even though these are the fellow Arab Muslim countries that provide aid to them.
Proving that ingratitude is the one consistent ‘Palestinian’ characteristic: 92% don’t like the EU, 88% don’t like the UN, and 69% manage to be against the Red Cross.
Russia, which created the entire ‘Palestinian’ cause and continues to back them, gets some of the best numbers. Only 57% don’t like Russia and 60% don’t like China.
Even more ungratefully, 85% don’t like Western media.
The ‘Palestinians’ have their own dedicated UN agency (UNRWA) and have billions of dollars lavished on them. Their needs are taken care of by the people they hate, America, Israel, Egypt and the UAE, not to mention the UN and the Red Cross, whom they repay by hating them.
If you give them free food, they will really hate you, and if you give them free rockets, they will hate you a little less. The only things they want to do are kill people and then kill some more.
This isn’t a culture or a country: it’s a xenophobic death cult that hates the entire world.
You don’t want them as neighbors or as refugees. Israel is stuck with them. The rest of the world doesn’t have to be. Stop giving them money, stop listening to their propaganda and stop caring.
Our faith in democracy convinced us to waste blood trying to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan. And then we handed Afghanistan to the Taliban on the understanding that they’d run for public office. The State Department is still asking the Taliban to open up elections.
What’s behind this insanity? We refuse to come to terms with the fact that some people are bad. No matter what horrors they commit, we’re certain that it’s only a “tiny minority of extremists” who have “misunderstood Islam” and are surely not representative of the vast majority of peace loving people who want the same things we want and just haven’t been given the opportunity.
The troubling question they don’t like to think about is what if none of that is actually true?
In the Book of Genesis, Abraham pleads with G-d to spare Sodom. The Lord agrees if some righteous people can be found in the infamous city. The patriarch bargains with G-d for increasingly smaller numbers of righteous people until it turns out there is only one. And he has to run for his life before Sodom is destroyed. Modern people are uncomfortable with the story.
We don’t really believe in evil. Even when we come face to face with it we make excuses for it. And evil is then able to manipulate us, to play on our sympathies when it has none for us.
You see there is one piece of good news from that poll.
90% of ‘Palestinians’ would like a ceasefire from the war that 77.7% of them would like to see conclude with the destruction of Israel.
How stupid would anyone have to be to give it to them?
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““misunderstood Islam”
One can be pretty sure that God did not tell Mohammed to instruct his followers to do evil deeds such as rob caravans and rape captive women.
There are no ‘innocent’ civilians in Gaza. They all knew it was going on.......................
Excellent piece, probably the BEST one on the situation in the Middle East. Too bad even Republicans won’t agree with it.
Also explains why the Democrats, despite their hostilities to everything we value, continue to get huge numbers of votes - most good people are UNABLE to understand that Democrats are simply BAD PEOPLE (especially American Jews, for that matter).
On top of that, some of the trolls here claim that they’re not voting for their squishy RINO, as the RINO is no better than the Democrat who would replace him. I have yet to see a SINGLE piece of evidence to ever support that claim.
Trying to understand Palestinians as something that they are not does not change them into nice people. They danced in the streets on 9/11, celebrating the murder of innocents. They are blood thirsty savages and claiming that is offensive does not change them.
How objective can such a poll be? Why would anyone hating Hamas want to expose his life to even a small risk of being discovered as answering “wrong”?
How many cheered during 9/11?
Any real muslim would support the massacre since it is in the koran, hadiths and sunnahs; only fake ones would not support the massacre or those spouting taqyyia for western consumption.
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The Christian God and the muslim “God”, Allah, are 2 distinct entities with different characteristics.
Allah, not the Christian God, told them to rape, pillage, and kill - ‘kill’ was Mohammad’s motto, by the way.
Islam is only misunderstood in the West by the uneducated and history deficient.
In the Book of Genesis, Abraham pleads with G-d to spare Sodom. The Lord agrees if some righteous people can be found in the infamous city. The patriarch bargains with G-d for increasingly smaller numbers of righteous people until it turns out there is only one. And he has to run for his life before Sodom is destroyed. Modern people are uncomfortable with the story.
We don’t really believe in evil. Even when we come face to face with it we make excuses for it. And evil is then able to manipulate us, to play on our sympathies when it has none for us.
Excellent essay, and posted in full for your pleasure!
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They wouldn't. The alternate conclusion would be to expose the tyrannical, totally undemocratic regime they live under. Given no elections in 18 years and a President serving the 17th year of his 4 year term, the Palestinian Authority has no business being involved in the future governance of Gaza and parts of the West Bank.
If they supported that massacre, they should support their own when that happens. What’s good for the goose...
Years ago us muslims were polled and asked if they support jihad- the honest ones answered yes was around 60%, and asked if they would support sharia law in America, again, the more honest ones answered yes was again around 60%
If ALL of those polled were honest in their answers, i imagine the % would be higher.
Palestine was
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