Posted on 10/08/2023 7:46:01 AM PDT by FarCenter
For more than a decade, Israel has clashed with Hamas in Gaza, with cycles of violence defined by periods of intense fighting followed by relative lulls. This brief summarizes a report focusing on a five-year period of this conflict — from the end of Operation Cast Lead in 2009 to the end of Operation Protective Edge in 2014.
The report tells many stories and holds many lessons. It analyzes the changing face of urban warfare and how an advanced military fought a weaker, yet highly adaptive, irregular force. It also provides a case study of military innovation — showing how the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) evolved operationally, organizationally, and technologically to meet ongoing hybrid challenges.
Most broadly, though, this is a story of deterrence. Israel never strived for a decisive victory in Gaza. While it could militarily defeat Hamas, Israel could not overthrow Hamas without risking the possibility that a more radical organization would govern Gaza. Nor did Israel want to be responsible for governing Gaza in a postconflict power vacuum. As such, Israel’s grand strategy became "mowing the grass" — accepting its inability to permanently solve the problem and instead repeatedly targeting leadership of Palestinian militant organizations to keep violence manageable.
Dealing with Hamas in Gaza puts Israel in a strategic quandary: It needs to exert enough force to deter Hamas from attacking but not so much that it topples the regime. As one Israeli defense analyst put it, "We want to break their bones without putting them in the hospital."
While this story is about one country, Israel, dealing with one foe, it has broader applicability—the IDF’s experiences in Gaza offer valuable lessons about using different types of military technology and operational concepts, conducting urban combat under intense legal and public scrutiny, and deterring nonstate actors.
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Whether this conflict will move Israel policy from the "mowing the grass" approach to one that removes Hamas is an open question.
Removing Hamas may result in either Gaza being taken over by a more militant organization, such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Israel having to administer Gaza directly.
Best thing would be to repatriate the Gazan population to Iran.
Send the Aqsa mosque there too.
It doesn’t matter what solutions we suggest here, no one is going to listen.
Many here don’t realize that the usual anti Israel forces that surround Israel like hamas and Hezbollah are much stronger than they used to be
Hezbollah in particular
Only good thing is they fight each other a lot
I haven’t gleaned what the less radical Arabs are saying
Don’t trust muslims.
Always be on guard.
Open up the south (towards Egypt.
Cut off electricity
Cut off water
Cut off supplies going in
Announce the road south is safe. Anyone heading south will be safe.
Then start at the north destroying everything, block by block working your way south.
Israel does not have to govern Gaza if Gaza no longer exist.
They may fight but for how long.
Give them away out so they are not trapped but take away everything that allows them to live there.
“ Removing Hamas may result in either Gaza being taken over by a more militant organization, such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Israel having to administer Gaza directly.”
Shove them all back into Egypt where they belong. Kill anyone who resists.
Then annex it permanently.
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>>Best thing would be to repatriate the Gazan population to Iran.
The Gazans are Sunni Arabs. Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.
The Iranians are Shiite Indo-Europeans. Other than a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” relationship, there is no affinity between Iran and Gaza.
I’m sure that Iran is willing to fight Israel to the last Gazan, just as we are willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
That violates all sorts of international human rights and war crime laws, many of which were put into place after WW II with the help of Jewish scholars.
The best thing to do would be for the Israelis to nuke Tehran.
Question: Why do you bury Muslims ten feet deep?
Answer: Because down deep they’re good people.
Irael should take back the Gaza Strip, completely.
What’s a practical solution honestly
They tried occupying it
That was problematic
It’s a problem the prince states etc don’t want solved
It distracts from their lofty perch privilege
Like the west treats racism and historical slavery
Just keep rubbing the wound
Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt and Syria could take them but they won’t
Hussein excelled them what 50 years ago
Black September
Shia sensibilities made em worse as Amal etc grew after Sabra and Shatilla
And the once leadership of Palestinians terrorists Christian’s died off or quit
Now it’s jihadi Palestinian nationalism with Iran backing
Pretty effing toxic
Unlike many here I think Israel can handle this
Severe punishment is about only option and be more awake mossad wise in the future
When u face a third world fatalist resistance that can’t fight straight up you know they will do ANYTHING else they can
It’s so stupid
Biggest danger though Israel faces is their birth rate and Christian Arab decline around them
Less Jews and no more south Lebanese army like the old days
It’s been fairly quiet for years thus surprised me
Lots of planning on this
One consequence of the Israeli Arab conflict is that the Christian communities (Palestinian, Egyptian Copts, Lebanese Maronites, Syriacs, Iraqi Christians) have been under a lot of pressure and are leaving the area.
Islamic fundamentalism like the Wahhabis have flourished, while the more moderate branches like the Sufis have not.
I know a few Christians who lost their lands in the 47 or 48 war
They now several generations later have moved on and prospered elsewhere like they usually do
The Mourra family in port au prince and Miami are one example I knew well
Did they survive The Tonton Macoutes?
“It doesn’t matter what solutions we suggest here, no one is going to listen.”
Agree, our clout with Israel ended the day the Neocons decided that Israel needed ‘regime change’. Netanyahu knows the United States really well and knows that both US political parties will continue to support Israel (for different reasons, but that’s beside the point), provided Israel doesn’t go overboard dealing with the Palestinians.
This attack is pretty much Israel’s Pearl Harbor moment, where they are essential free to respond as they choose, and they understand that full well.
Yes
They allied with Baby
I think they’ve left since
Haiti is totally lawless now
Warlord run
Sammy Mourra was married to baby docs wife Michelle Bennett sister Chantal
Both girls were beautiful mulattos
Which angered the darker Haitian populace
Those beauties were let’s say
Mercurial
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