This issue of natural born citizenship comes up a lot on Free Republic.
Some Freepers say, that both of your parents must have been citizens at the time of your birth, for you to be a natural born citizen.
Other Freepers say, that if you were born in America, you are a natural born citizen, regardless of the citizenship of your parents. Those Freepers say that you are natural born, if you didn’t have to go through the naturalization process, to become an American citizen.
And then other Freepers say, as a practical matter, no court ruling will ever prevent an American citizen born in America from running for president. Those Freepers take the position, that the courts will never intervene to prevent anyone from running for office, if they are American by birth.
Which Freepers are we to believe?
The latter FReepers. See Obama.
There’s reality and there’s internet arguments.
It doesn’t matter anymore.
We let Obama be president so all the other rules went out the window.
The practical Freepers have it right. The others can jibber jabber about the minutiae until the cows come home, but it will have no effect on SCOTUS doing the practical thing.
The Constitution does not define what a “natural born citizen” is. That provision did not keep Obama out of the White House, nor did it prevent Ted Cruz from running for president. The case for Ramaswamy not being a “natural born citizen” is much weaker than that for Obama, with his questionable birth certificate, or Cruz who was born outside the US to a father who was not a citizen.
To be eligible for the presidency, among other things you must have resided in the United States for at least 14 years. Well, in 1928 Herbert Hoover ran for president. He had resided in the US for at least 14 years, but NOT the last 14. He was overseas doing relief work.
There was a minor dust-up over this. Was Hoover eligible? The Constitution is a bit vague on this. So the courts let the voters decide. The voters decided Hoover was eligible, and he was elected.
The same argument could be made with Obama.
There are no citizenship criteria that will prevent the sellout of American interests. Look at Joe Biden. But that doesn’t mean we should open the floodgates, especially when Biden is flooding the country with illegal aliens from all over the world, including Russia and China. Then when to attack the speed of world-destroying weapons now being used and developed, having the highest hurdle only makes sense in a Republic where its commander-in-chief is elected.
As I mentioned above, this question can easily be solved if we have had a SCOTUS with enough judicial fortitude to apply common first-year law students’ understanding of statutory construction application.
“And then other Freepers say, as a practical matter, no court ruling will ever prevent an American citizen born in America from running for president. Those Freepers take the position, that the courts will never intervene to prevent anyone from running for office, if they are American by birth.”
That depends somewhat on who is running for president. I suspect that were Vivek to become president and were he a threat to the security state, you would suddenly find very great interest from the Legacy Media and the Left about his “natural born citizen” credentials. If they find the right judge, anything could happen.
There is no precedent; except that Obama was born in the USA to one American parent and one Kenyan national.
Some Freepers believe citizens the 2A means we can own bazookas and tanks. I am not saying they are wrong, just sayin... lots of opinions.
Depends if the Freeper yapping likes the person.
It’s always best to believe me.
Or Laz, when it comes to wimmin.
Biden, Kerry, Carter, pelosi, Schumer are all natural born
I will take any pro America born in USA over scum NBC people I listed.
Regardless of what a 250 year old document...the US Constitution says...those that run the country don’t agree.
Obama is the living proof of that
if the guy gets elected it’s all over. The 2020 fraud in the election of Donald Trump proves the point. After the fact, the courts will knock down any challenge on lack of standing. Though it’s wrong, if the guy can finagle his way by hook or crook into the WH he’s home scott-free.
according to the USCIS study guide that I received in 2003 when I applied for citizenship, NBC was born on US soil to 2 citizen parents
Post #151 explains the main reason why both Ramaswamy and Kamala Harris are NBCs under US law and USSC rulings.
Natural Born Citizen:
“Under the 14th Amendment’s Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship.”
Ramaswamy was born in Ohio. He is a natural born citizen.
Wong Kim Ark case: “In United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), the Supreme Court held that when a child is born in America to non-citizen Chinese parents, that child is a United States citizen. The Court in Wong Kim also applied that ruling “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States,” finding that those persons “are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
If you are born on US soil, you are a US citizen.