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Is this the dawn of UNLIMITED clean energy? California scientists make fusion power breakthrough after using world's biggest laser to replicate reaction that powers the sun - which could spell the end of fossil fuels
Daily Mail ^ | 12 December 2022 | James Gordon

Posted on 12/13/2022 3:07:11 PM PST by nickcarraway

California scientists may have discovered a source of unlimited clean energy by recreating the process of nuclear fusion which powers the sun.

Researchers at the National Ignition Facility at the Lawrence Livermore National Lab in Livermore were able to spark a fusion reaction that briefly sustained itself - a major feat because fusion requires such high temperatures and pressures that it easily fizzles out.

The experiment was performed in August, but reported for the first time earlier this month. Similar tests have been performed before, but this was the first one that generated more energy than was used to create the experiment - meaning scientists could now harness nuclear fusion as an energy source.

The August test actually generated more energy than scientists predicted, and damaged some equipment.

But it could now represent a groundbreaking moment in humankind's move away from fossil fuels like oil and coal to completely clean energy sources that do not pollute the air, or scar landscapes with mining or pipelines.

The ultimate goal, still years away, is to generate power the way the sun generates heat, by pushing hydrogen atoms so close to each other that they combine into helium, which releases torrents of energy.

A single cupful of that substance could power an average-sized house for hundreds of years, with no carbon emissions.

Using the world's largest laser, consisting of 192 beams and temperatures more than three times hotter than the center of the sun, the researchers coaxed fusion fuel for the first time to heat itself beyond the heat they zapped into it - achieving a net energy gain.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 1bsreport; chat; crapscience; fusion; notanotherthread; searchworks
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To: nickcarraway
… were able to spark a fusion reaction that briefly sustained itself - a major feat because fusion requires such high temperatures and pressures that it easily fizzles out.

Containment. Containment. Containment.

They have been working for at least 50 years in search of a bottle to put that excess energy in. If you want the process to be continuous you need to pull that energy out and store it.

If you can’t do that it will just fizzle out.

I remain sceptical.

81 posted on 12/13/2022 4:37:01 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: roadcat

There’s a great idea! Could we send a large quantity of Hydrogen and a couple lasers to the Woohan? A little mis-handling could clean up the bat problem permanently.


82 posted on 12/13/2022 4:39:25 PM PST by OldWarBaby
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To: nickcarraway

Just in time for peak lithium as the metal gets harder to mine and more scarce.


83 posted on 12/13/2022 4:39:33 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: nickcarraway

“The experiments create burning plasmas that last just a billionth of a second”

wow! just think what it would mean if/when they can sustain such a reaction for a million times that long! oh, wait that would be only a millisecond ...


84 posted on 12/13/2022 4:40:43 PM PST by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: muffaletaman
"I think we are more likely to have magnetic confinement or LENR fusion before this inertial confinement method “works.”"

It does work. We just need to scale it.


85 posted on 12/13/2022 4:41:04 PM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: DallasBiff

Yes, like you we have been lied to for decades. At least this article said “ ultimate goal, still years away”. I won’t believe it until I see a real world, working plant.


86 posted on 12/13/2022 4:41:45 PM PST by 2001convSVT (Asking questions is your right.)
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To: TexasGator

yes already at peak lithium. THere is only enough to make 10B leaf batteries which are 1/2 the size of the tesla.


87 posted on 12/13/2022 4:43:41 PM PST by kvanbrunt2
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To: DallasBiff
It depended on the paper, but “Dick Tracy” or “Peanuts” were always on top of the page.

Blondie was at the top of page 1 on some of them. Peanuts definitely dominated.
88 posted on 12/13/2022 4:44:06 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: BenLurkin

Probably more like the dawning of the Age of Aquarius what with all the godless agendas going on.

Great song, but......silly.........


89 posted on 12/13/2022 4:46:04 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: JesusIsLord

90 posted on 12/13/2022 4:48:10 PM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: kvanbrunt2

“yes already at peak lithium. THere is only enough to make 10B leaf batteries which are 1/2 the size of the tesla.”

That is 7x the total number of cars in the world!

And we are opening up new lithium mines.


91 posted on 12/13/2022 4:51:14 PM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

You are correct about “Blondie”, but every other cartoon was about Dagwood eating his trademark sandwich.


92 posted on 12/13/2022 4:53:21 PM PST by DallasBiff (Kamala is not the sharpest knife in the drawer)
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To: nickcarraway

My guess is that this significant, but not commercially viable breakthrough for decades, was released to prop up the unviable push for EVs. Seeing the Marxist State Muppets already talking about the “nearly free electric” just around the corner to power all those EVs. And in the real world, the electric will not be free or nearly free. There will be the astronomic cost of the production facilities, maintenance of the distribution system, bribes and payoffs, etc. 30 or so years from now at the earliest. Remember, just around the corner cold fusion E-Cat with its nearly free electric.


93 posted on 12/13/2022 4:54:18 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Biden not only suffers fools and criminals, he appoints them to positions of responsibility. )
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To: nickcarraway

Can it be scaled beyond lab bench object?

Does it require vast amounts of unobtainium to make?


94 posted on 12/13/2022 4:59:21 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again.)
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To: DallasBiff
You are correct about “Blondie”, but every other cartoon was about Dagwood eating his trademark sandwich.

You are a success as a cartoonist if you add someting to the language. "Dagwood Sandwich" was Chic Young's "Security Blanket".

The strip existed befor Dagwood, just as Olive Oyl was arounf before Popeye in "Thimble Theatre".

But one of the longest running strips, Barney Google, has been completely coopted by Snuffy Smith.
95 posted on 12/13/2022 4:59:50 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: nickcarraway

When it becomes efficient and cost effective, people will buy it.


96 posted on 12/13/2022 5:05:36 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: nickcarraway
More specifically, scientists at NIF kickstarted a fusion reaction using about 2 megajoules of energy to power the lasers and were able to get about 3 megajoules out. Based on the definition of ignition used by NIF, the benchmark has been passed during this one short pulse...The calculation of energy gain only considers the energy that hit the target, and not the [very large] energy consumption that goes into supporting the infrastructure," said Patrick Burr, a nuclear engineer at the University of New South Wales. source

Based on the above, I don't see how the above can be characterized as dawn. But I was just a fission manipulator a long time ago.

97 posted on 12/13/2022 5:07:11 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground. - Mencken)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

“. Remember, just around the corner cold fusion E-Cat with its nearly free electric.”

The scientific community never supported the E-Cat. That was just a scam.


98 posted on 12/13/2022 5:41:25 PM PST by TexasGator (!!!)
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To: roadcat

99 posted on 12/13/2022 5:59:10 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: nickcarraway

After WWII we were told we would be able to power our homes with nuclear energy for pennies, PENNIES, a day.


100 posted on 12/13/2022 6:02:25 PM PST by ArtDodger
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