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1 posted on 12/12/2022 2:04:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why is da Ukraine so determined to hold it?

Despite massive casualties?


2 posted on 12/12/2022 2:06:54 PM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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If the Russians wanted to capture or take it, they already would have.

The better question is why ZelesnkyyIdiot and Ukraine is fighting so desperately to hold it at horrendous losses to manpower and equipment they can ill afford to be losing?


3 posted on 12/12/2022 2:08:06 PM PST by cranked
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To: MinorityRepublican

Now that UAF are about to lose Bakhmut (defended by 30,000 troops), the narrative turns to making it “insignificant”.

Typical Ministry of Truth balderdash.


4 posted on 12/12/2022 2:08:27 PM PST by rfp1234 (Comitia asinorum et rhinocerorum delenda sunt.)
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It appears to me, from what they’ve said, they intend to “demilitarize” and grind down (kill and destroy) Ukrainian forces and they are being fed to them on a conveyor belt in Bakhmut.

Ukraine Bakhmut Defences Crumble, Russia Advances Across Donbass, Serbia Readies for War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEmcedPG0Tc


5 posted on 12/12/2022 2:08:33 PM PST by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: MinorityRepublican; 2banana

see “Popasnaya”.


6 posted on 12/12/2022 2:08:52 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Is Bakhmut in the Russian annexed area? That might be why. Also it opens the road for them to liberate Slavyansk.


7 posted on 12/12/2022 2:09:27 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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They’re besieging it, allowing the Ukrainians to expend a ridiculous amount of resources (a battalion a day) holding onto it. The question is why is the Zelensky regime so desperate to keep it? Because once it goes they will have no chance at retaking the Donbas.


9 posted on 12/12/2022 2:10:02 PM PST by Toad of Toad Hall (time is short and getting shorter)
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Also, the Special Military Operation is designed to kil l the Uke military, and denazify. So any place you can get Ukraine to invest in serves the purpose of killing Uke military in large numbers. That’s probably also a reason.


11 posted on 12/12/2022 2:11:00 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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It’s funny reading this thread and seeing 90% of the posts to be almost copy and pastes from Russian propaganda trolls.

It’s funny to me that the self declared high IQ free thinkers have zero original thoughts and just repeat the Russian narrative of the day, which I guarantee will be a different narrative from the one next week.


20 posted on 12/12/2022 2:22:12 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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The Ukrainian defences have this city as a lynchpin of their entire defensive positions. Today the commander of the 93d Bde was wounded and both he and his unit are evacuating from the city.


37 posted on 12/12/2022 2:37:43 PM PST by Jumper ( )
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wZfjd-byNk

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for December 12, 2022.

- Russia continues its war of attrition - focusing on exhausting and overwhelming critical Ukrainian defenses around Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine/western Russia;
- Despite claims that Russian missile stockpiles are depleted, Russia continues carrying out regular, large-scale missile barrages against Ukrainian infrastructure;

- Latest US assistance package for Ukraine continues the trend of dwindling, inadequate support for Ukraine;
- US government procurement numbers over the course of the next 2-5 years indicates that at no time in the near future will the US be capable of producing let alone supplying Ukraine with the number of weapons and ammunition it requires;
- While Russian production data is not available, the fact that Russia’s stockpiles and military were configured for large-scale protracted and intense combat suggests its military industrial output is likewise configured for such demands;
- The Western media is now admitting that Ukraine can neither win, nor is there any moral imperative to ensure that it does...

43 posted on 12/12/2022 2:40:30 PM PST by Kazan
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ping


69 posted on 12/12/2022 2:55:23 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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I recall when they said evil putin wanted Chernobyl lol


87 posted on 12/12/2022 3:12:56 PM PST by mylife (And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids...)
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Putin’s forces sense weakness. Ukraine does not seem able to maintain its offense(s) and push Putin’s forces back to the Russian border.

Putin has resources for offense; but Ukraine does not.


88 posted on 12/12/2022 3:13:51 PM PST by linMcHlp
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“Explainer: Why is Russia Trying So Hard to Capture the Small Ukrainian City of Bakhmut?”

Why is Ukraine willing to lose HUGE NUMBERS of people to keep it?


97 posted on 12/12/2022 3:52:29 PM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 19 degrees)
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Why is Ukraine desperately sacrificing thousands of men to hold Bakhmut?
Why did the Ukes so heavily fortify Bakhmut since 2014?

Hmmm. Maybe it is a key position to controlling the remaining western part of Donetsk oblast.


110 posted on 12/12/2022 5:02:46 PM PST by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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Communist/fascist nations throw deluded, incompetent human waves at positions that are not very important due to communist/fascist pride without good deeds. It’s what they do. The waves of human flesh are chewed up and left to rot. The communist/fascist nation leaves the bodies behind and disowns them, because it doesn’t want to compensate the impoverished, enslaved families of the dead.


115 posted on 12/12/2022 6:14:57 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Seizing Bakhmut is a secondary objective which the Drive by Media like Moscow Times is not expected to know about or understand. The Objective of the Wagner Group, the principle attacker, is to kill as many UA troops as possible using convict troops.

This is the exchange of low value material (convicts) for high value material (UA troops) - the job of the convicts is to kill as many UA troops as possible, then die, to be replaced by more convicts, thus emptying out Russian prisons, in a cost saving measure.


125 posted on 12/13/2022 11:54:17 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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