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Deaths of generals expose Russia's troubles in Ukraine
France24 ^ | Issued on: 28/03/2022 - 16:46 Modified: 28/03/2022 - 16:45 | AFP

Posted on 03/28/2022 10:30:33 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

The killing in action of several Russian generals and senior military figures in Ukraine has revealed the extent of the heavy losses and logistical problems encountered by Moscow's invading army.

According to Kyiv, seven Russian generals have been killed since the invasion was launched on February 24, in what Western officials say would be an unusually high casualty rate among military top brass.

It is not possible to independently verify this figure and official Russian sources have so far confirmed only the death of one general and another senior naval commander.

According to the Ukraine defence ministry on Friday, the seventh Russian general to lose his life was Lieutenant General Yakov Rezantsev who was killed in fighting in Chornobaivka outside the southern city of Kherson.

"I would treat these numbers with a grain of salt," said Colin Clarke, director of research at the New York-based research thank tank Soufan Centre.

"But whether it's five or 15 generals, the fact that they are losing any generals at all demonstrates that Russian command-and-control is extremely weak and its lines of communication have been severed by Ukrainian military success," he added.

In a post on Telegram, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's adviser Mykhailo Podoliak described an "extraordinary" death rate among Russian generals and senior military figures.

"This is a sign of total unpreparedness of the army. All this, no doubt, demoralises the Russian army -- they realise that their top leadership is completely incompetent".

The weaknesses shown by the Russian army in Ukraine, in particular in intelligence, logistics and tactical errors, have forced military chiefs to go to the front lines, said a senior French military official, who asked not to be named.

"Orders may not have been well understood or received, units could be disobedient or there is a major problem with morale.

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Ukraine claims Russian KIA north of 15,000 after about 30 days of combat. I thought I'd do a sanity check, in view of the fact that this represents 500 Russian dead a day, extraordinarily high compared to US numbers or recent Russian numbers, although only 1/10 of the 5000 dead a day during Russia's number (~8m over ~4 years) during WWII.

In recent years, it's hard to think of too many instances of high intensity conventional force-on-force warfare involving fairly well-armed adversaries - including one of the superpowers - that was stalled the way the Russian invasion is. For a few weeks, the Tet Offensive was one of them. It is a bit long in the tooth, but the closest thing I can think off. During a two-month stretch, the US and South Vietnam lost an average of 175 KIA/MIA a day, combined, compared to the NVA/Vietcong's 750 dead a day. Note that the US and South Vietnam were defending, and the NVA/Vietcong were attacking. The US had air supremacy and fire superiority, and the NVA/Vietcong lacked the expensive* man-portable PGM's, effective from a mile away, with which the Ukrainians have been supplied.

The NVA/Vietcong had the benefit of $3.6b in current dollars of equipment per year in Russian aid.

Under the rule of Nikita Khrushchev, the Soviet Union initially supported North Vietnam out of “fraternal solidarity”. However, as the war escalated, Khrushchev urged the North Vietnamese leadership to give up the quest of liberating South Vietnam. He continued by rejecting an offer of assistance made by the North Vietnamese government, and instead told them to enter negotiations in the United Nations Security Council.[90] After Khrushchev’s ousting, Brezhnev resumed aiding the communist resistance in Vietnam. In February 1965, Premier Kosygin visited Hanoi with a dozen Soviet air force generals and economic experts.[91] Over the course of the war, Brezhnev’s regime would ultimately ship $450 million worth of arms annually to North Vietnam.[92]

They also received substantial amounts of Chinese weaponry and other equipment:
 

Military aid given to North Vietnam by China[3]: 379 

YearGunsArtillery piecesBulletsArtillery shellsRadio transmittersTelephonesTanksPlanesAutomobiles
196480,5001,20525,240,000335,0004262,941161825
1965220,7674,439114,010,0001,800,0002,7799,502?2114
1966141,5313,362178,120,0001,066,0001,5682,235??96
1967146,6003,984147,000,0001,363,0002,4642,2892670435
1968219,8997,087247,920,0002,082,0001,8543,31318?454
1969139,9003,906119,117,0001,357,0002,2103,453??162
1970101,8002,21229,010,000397,0009501,600???
1971143,1007,89857,190,0001,899,0002,4644,4248044,011
1972189,0009,23840,000,0002,210,0004,3705,905220148,758
1973233,5009,91240,000,0002,210,0004,3356,447120361,210
1974164,5006,40630,000,0001,390,0005,1484,66380?506
1975141,8004,88020,600,000965,0002,2402,150?20?
Total1,922,89764,5291,048,207,00017,074,00030,80848,92256016415,771

* Note that expense is relative. A Javelin that kills a BMP-3 with its entire crew is relatively cheap, even if it takes 3 Javelins to do the job. A BMP-3 costs about $1m. Valuing the crew of 10's lives at $200K each (typical airline compensation that obviously undervalues those lives), that's another $2m. A Javelin is $175K. Spending roughly 3 Javelins, or $0.5m, to take out $3m of equipment and crew - that's not a bad trade-off.

1 posted on 03/28/2022 10:30:33 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

An army marches on its stomach. Unless a fighting force is supported by excellent logistics to supply food, ammunition, fuel and replacements, that fighting force withers quickly. One thing if nothing else has been learned about the once feared, once perceived as a juggernaut Russian army, they have less than adequate logistics.


2 posted on 03/28/2022 10:43:25 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Zhang Fei

This might be helpful to a Putin pogrom plan.


3 posted on 03/28/2022 10:50:05 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save U + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Zhang Fei

I recall a conversation at a July 4th picnic a few decades ago (1975-1976) between my cousin (a midshipman at Annapolis at the time) and a particular nasty uner liberal relative. The conversation revolved around the disciplines taught and degrees offered at the academy. My liberal cousin could not fathom why the military needs officers educated in accounting, business or other non-military disciplines, to which my cousin patiently explained that waris more than shooting guns and dropping bombs.

Your post is an excellent example of that.

Would appear the Russians are still wrapped up in Stalin’s WW2 doctrine and need to move beyond that into the 21st century by revamping their military doctrine and education.


4 posted on 03/28/2022 10:55:07 AM PDT by Qui is (First, never apologize to the enemy, and second, never forget that Biden spews and Harris swallows. )
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To: Zhang Fei

Makes no sense why Putin doesn’t just sit back and bomb the crap out of them and then send in troops. There is a reason. If he is such a butcher he wouldn’t care who he kills. He is looking for something.


5 posted on 03/28/2022 11:02:10 AM PDT by glimmerman70
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; ProtectOurFreedom; familyop; MercyFlush; ...

Ping


6 posted on 03/28/2022 11:03:10 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: daniel1212

Putin’s a smart guy. He sending his generals to the front and they’re getting bumped off. Probably the guys he thinks are out to get him.

He’s letting the Ukes do it so he doesn’t have to.


7 posted on 03/28/2022 11:06:23 AM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: glimmerman70

It’s true. Russia is busy. He’s got Nato training camps, Bio Labs, neo nazis surrounded.

Once the south is secured...the talks begins.


8 posted on 03/28/2022 11:08:51 AM PDT by blackberry1
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To: glimmerman70

[Makes no sense why Putin doesn’t just sit back and bomb the crap out of them and then send in troops. There is a reason. If he is such a butcher he wouldn’t care who he kills. He is looking for something.]


Supply problems. If he can’t feed his men, supply them with fuel or get them spare parts, he can’t provide an adequate flow of artillery shells, either. Artillery shells aren’t swords - once used, they’re gone. The 152mm Russian self-propelled howitzer has shells that weigh over 100 lbs each

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S19_Msta

One MRE ration weighs ~1-1/2 lbs. One day’s supply is 3 rations, or 4-1/2 lbs. If Russians are going hungry, do they prioritize 100 lb artillery shells, or do they feed their soldiers?


9 posted on 03/28/2022 11:10:48 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: allendale

[An army marches on its stomach. Unless a fighting force is supported by excellent logistics to supply food, ammunition, fuel and replacements, that fighting force withers quickly. One thing if nothing else has been learned about the once feared, once perceived as a juggernaut Russian army, they have less than adequate logistics.]


Logistics is basically money. The Russians simply haven’t budgeted the cash for this. Logistics is extremely expensive. The US spent huge amounts of money equipping the Russians. Without American logistics backing up Russia, it would have fallen, and the Russian population butchered to the last man, woman and child, in accordance with Hitler’s strange and unique vision of German empire. Logistics seems like child’s play. The problem is that it requires vast resources. It’s not merely a matter of making a commitment. It requires vast resources that may simply be out of reach.


10 posted on 03/28/2022 11:16:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Qui is

And then there is this...
Wife was ‘raped in front of child after husband shot dead by Russians’ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10656829/Ukraine-not-silent-horror-rapes-against-women-invasion.html?ito=native_share_article-top


11 posted on 03/28/2022 11:18:26 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Zhang Fei

Hi.

I got an idea for Ivan.

Take off the medals, blacken the hat and lapels, and don’t look conspicuous.

Yo Vlad, that information will cost you a $100 donation to FReeRepublic.com next quarter.

Oh, and Jim Robinson doesn’t take rubles.

5.56mm


12 posted on 03/28/2022 11:21:54 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Two things:

Credit goes to the Russian generals for leading at the pointy tip instead of cowering in a bunker like Pidor Putin. It’s also sad that such good men are squandered on a needless and vainglorious war.

The Russians need to school their adjutants that there’s times to stop taking orders and instead make the safety of their principal a priority. There are times for a general to get danger close to an enemy but it’s not all the time.


13 posted on 03/28/2022 11:35:01 AM PDT by MercyFlush (I don't follow the science. I follow the money. )
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To: MercyFlush

[There are times for a general to get danger close to an enemy but it’s not all the time.]


The problem is malingering. You could attempt a decimation to improve morale. The danger is mutiny - the kind that led to Red October. If you’re going to risk your life anyway, why not strike at the throne and take a shot at becoming a duke, an earl or whatever? The nomenklatura did not go by aristocratic titles, but in effect, that’s what they were - the bluebloods of the Bolshevik regime. Starvation was for the masses.


14 posted on 03/28/2022 11:39:33 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

One human life. $200k. Wow.


15 posted on 03/28/2022 11:52:32 AM PDT by KierkegaardMAN (I never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.)
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To: allendale

I am not certain the troops in the Ukraine are Russia’s best and brightest.

Just not sure exactly what his overall plan might have been?

Was he waiting to see if foreign intervention occurred?

Is my thought even correct? Is this the actual level of his military’s skills these
days?


16 posted on 03/28/2022 11:54:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Of the generals, only the death in action on February 28 of Major General Andrei Sukhovetsky, deputy commander of Russia's 41st Combined Arms Army, has been confirmed by official Russian sources.


17 posted on 03/28/2022 11:55:37 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Zhang Fei

The Russians don’t have a strong corps of NCOs.


18 posted on 03/28/2022 11:56:25 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: jmacusa

He’s letting the Ukes do it so he doesn’t have to.
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And Senile Joe will support the Ukies to their last man. Something stinks since the 2014 Maidan revolution…..hint, Vlad is winning.


19 posted on 03/28/2022 12:05:14 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Zhang Fei

It is widely reported that the various Russian units making the assault use ordinary radios. Radio traffic at all levels is closely monitored. Traffic to and from a headquarters can pinpoint not only a location but an individual as well

Qasem Soleimani was carefully monitored and then at a chosen location, eliminated by an American drone. There is note of a NATO plane choc full of all kinds of electronics monitoring Russian traffic. Time is not really important and can be used to ascertain precisely where a high ranking Russian officer is working


20 posted on 03/28/2022 12:08:38 PM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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