Posted on 03/15/2022 6:04:42 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
Russian forces may only be able to sustain full fighting capacity for another 'ten to 14' days, senior UK defence sources indicated last night, after which Putin's men will struggle to hold the ground they have already captured from Ukrainian troops.
UK defence sources say that Kyiv has Moscow 'on the run' and the Russian army could be just two weeks from 'culmination point' - after which 'the strength of Ukraine's resistance should become greater than Russia's attacking force.' Advances across Ukraine have already stopped as Moscow's manpower runs short.
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as Russia's invasion falters, its methods become more brutal - with cities increasingly coming under indiscriminate rocket fire. Kyiv, the capital, suffered another round of bombing on Tuesday morning as apartment blocks were set on fire by early-hours strikes, though there was no immediate figure on casualties.
Ukraine's military said four Russian helicopters, a jet, and a cruise missile were shot down by its forces which remained in control of all major cities - including the badly-hit southern port of Mariupol.
Putin's stuttering invasion has forced even his close allies to admit, publicly, that things are not going to plan.
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Yup. If the war is going to be over in two weeks what do they need the U.S.’s help for? We couldn’t even deliver it in two weeks if we said yes.
Both Afghanistan and Iraq invasions were with full UN sanction.
In 2003 I was and today I still am against the Gulf war II - go check my posts from back then if you disbelieve me.
But even that war was UN sanctioned action.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was not sanctioned.
Mr Rogers - I believe brownsfan may have been misled by Putinist propaganda about “NATO expansion”.
that word “expansion” is a lie.
Each and every country from the former Warsaw pact, starting with Poland and ending with Estonia, Lativa and Lithuania, REQUESTED to join.
Every NATO country can freely leave NATO - France did in the 50s.
NATO explicitly is a defensive pact.
Go tomorrow, heck, take a time machine and go in 2011 on a Warsaw street, on a Bucharest street, on a Riga street and ask people “Do you support Poland / Romania / Estonia being part of NATO?” - and 90% or more will say “hell yeah”
Putin’s invasion of non-NATO Georgia and Ukraine is proof that joining NATO was the right decision by these countries.
“Defense sources”...we made it up.
Yeah that proves it’s true. Not.
Further, nothing you have read is unavailable. Obviously.
But once again, rather than deal with facts, you just KNOW something’s true because someone else banned it.
That is not proof of anything.
I don’t believe Donald Trump because twitter banned him. I believe in Trump based on my own knowledge.
And Trump armed Ukraine against Russia.
There is a lot of purse swinging happening in this thread.
I think we can all agree we have incomplete and often contradictory information being spread as absolute truth.
There is no complete picture being offered.
A lot is flat out propaganda and it’s difficult to sort through it.
Regardless, innocent lives are being destroyed.
The impact of this conflict will be felt for many years.
No one who is competent is running anything.
The media remains our enemy in my opinion.
hi Brownsfans.
As you correctly noted, these are NOT weapons labs.
They are biolabs working with diseases. Ukraine has approximately 4,000 biolabs. Pretty much every country on the planet has hundreds or thousands. If you get a blood test done your doctor will send it to a biolab for analysis. Anyone who makes vaccines or antibiotics has a biolab. Anyone who makes fertiliser has a biolab. Every hospital on the planet will have a small biolab. Every university that offers medical or agricultural studies will have a biolab. Biolabs are everywhere.
These investigate vaccines and medication for deadly diseases. To do that they need to have those pathogens (viruses and bacteria) on hand to test the medication against those.
These biolabs were working on covid -19 vaccines as well as investments in bio research. Over two years ago the US Ukrainian Ambassador put out a statement about it you can look up.
Putin is throwing stuff at the wall to see if anything sticks. His latest BS is the reason to invade was a bio lab, after telling us for over a year, the reason was because Ukraine was part of Russia , beating up Russian ancestry people, and that a Jew was running a neo-Nazi government
“Mr Rogers - I believe brownsfan may have been misled by Putinist propaganda about “NATO expansion”.”
Maybe. I make no claims about proficiency in this area.
What I think I know is that Ukraine has a checkered past to say the least.
I do know my own government has been lying to me for the last year and a half. I also know the US media would lie when the truth would serve. If the left had their way, anyone that doesn’t see it their way would be rounded up, (e.g. Carlson and Gabbard).
To use the words of that great foreign policy expert K. Harris: “Russia invaded Ukraine... and that’s wrong”.
There is no justification for the invasion, but their are circumstances. Did Putin just get up one day and say: “We’re getting the band back together?” I don’t know Putin, I never talked to Putin, and I haven’t even a clue how the man thinks. It’s said he wants to restore the USSR. Makes sense. What other concerns does he have? A buffer state? More oil? biolabs? I don’t know.
Is Putin out of his mind? I don’t know. But even someone as stupid as Biden would know there has to be a cost/benefit analysis to an invasion. Putin has decided that the risks are worth the reward. Why?
Only two weeks to flatten the curve!
And in all probability, those biolabs were originally USSR bio-weapons labs. After the collapse of the USSR and the (later stifled) beginnings of a democratic goverment, a lot of scientists engaging in weapons research were looking for some way to make a living. The US provided funding to put many of them back to work on projects NOT weapons related in order to keep them from going (for example) to Iran and making bio-weapons the the jihadis. Those are facts too.
We don't have anywhere near information enough about those labs to make an informed judgment.
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Then, why did Zelensky just declare that Ukraine won’t join NATO?
“We don’t have anywhere near information enough about those labs to make an informed judgment.”
I can agree with that.
Because they’re not. At least not until after Putin is dead.
Go tomorrow, heck, take a time machine and go in 2011 on a Warsaw street, on a Bucharest street, on a Riga street and ask people “Do you support Poland / Romania / Estonia being part of NATO?” - and 90% or more will say “hell yeah”
***69% of Ukrainians want to join NATO, according to a June 2017 poll by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations
I wish both sides of this debate would admit that. Either side might be making statements based on propaganda.
The US provided funding to put many of them back to work on projects NOT weapons related in order to keep them from going (for example) to Iran and making bio-weapons the the jihadis.
How do we know that ALL of those labs conformed strictly to that purported goal?
Lol
Of course
It’s very difficult to find the propaganda from Russia
Yandex is being fiddled with
“I don’t think there is a clear good guy or a clear bad guy in all this.
***Russia invaded Ukraine. Pretty clear to me.”
But you have to always try to understand (not agree with - understand) where an adversary is coming from. We outright lied to Russia in a very substantive and (from their POV) dangerous way. We promised them that if they allowed Germany to be reunified (something that could not have made them feel very happy, as a unified Germany had invaded twice in the then-past 80 years and had killed/murdered over 30 million Russians), that we would not expand NATO to the east at all. So, what did we do after the Russians held up their end of the bargain? We expanded NATO as far and fast to the east as possible, and pretty much surrounded Russia. Because that’s what power-hungry, war-mongering, neocons of both parties do. Then, for the past few years, there was increasing talk of having Ukraine join NATO. That would mean Western troops, tanks, artillery, fighters, bombers cruise missiles, and (probably) nukes right in Russia’s belly.
Further, consider what we would do and how we would feel if we had a civil war, and 30 years later when we were busy putting our country back together again we found that not only had the Chinese had most of South And Central America join their military alliance, but that they were in talks to do the same in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. We had controlled - to the point of them literally being part of our country - those states for about 180 years, and they are vital to our defense (certainly denying them to an enemy would be). So what would we do? We’d freaking invade once an opportunity presented itself and before it was too late.
So we pushed them, hard...and then came along weak Joe Biden, he of the Afghan debacle, he of abandoning a lot of our energy production (a critical component of national strength) and the guy who said that if the Russians had a “minor incursion” into Ukraine, we wouldn’t be going to the mattresses for it. Thus, we tempted Putin on top of having pushed him hard.
Make no mistake, I blame Putin for actually ordering and carrying out the invasion. My paternal grandparents were born in what is now Ukraine, and I likely still have distant relatives living there. It breaks my heart to see what those people are going through, not just because it is an ancestral homeland for me, but as a human being. But I am not letting those emotions blind me to the facts on the table here. Putin is largely to blame - but NOT solely.
“Putin is largely to blame - but NOT solely.”
You said what I meant, with more skill.
Thanks.
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