Posted on 11/20/2020 7:05:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Well, we have a new study on mask-wearing in the time of COVID, and it once again shows that the so-called experts have been peddling information that might not be true. Of course, on a commonsense scale, wearing a mask to prevent spreading the virus makes sense. It does not make you immune. And with the back-and-forth on masks, the credibility of this recommendation has been shot up like a piece of swiss cheese. The best part is that the study undermines the mask regime the COVID Nazis want us to abide by on a daily basis. Look, I won’t lie, folks, I can’t shop for groceries without a mask, so I have been wearing one. Also, I don’t want to waste time being mobbed by the "COVID Karens," but the headline in The New York Times piece says it all about the media and when their narrative gets blown up.
"A New Study Questions Whether Masks Protect Wearers. You Need to Wear Them Anyway." That’s the headline. So, now what? We shouldn’t trust the experts? (via NYT) [emphasis mine]:
Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial. But the findings conflict with those from a number of other studies, experts said, and is not likely to alter public health recommendations in the United States.
The study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, did not contradict growing evidence that masks can prevent transmission of the virus from wearer to others. But the conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers — a position endorsed just last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Critics were quick to note the study’s limitations, among them that the design depended heavily on participants reporting their own test results and behavior, at a time when both mask-wearing and infection were rare in Denmark.
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From early April to early June, researchers at the University of Copenhagen recruited 6,024 participants who had been tested beforehand to be sure they were not infected with the coronavirus.
Half were given surgical masks and told to wear them when leaving their homes; the others were told not to wear masks in public.
At that time, 2 percent of the Danish population was infected — a rate lower than that in many places in the United States and Europe today. Social distancing and frequent hand-washing were common, but masks were not.
About 4,860 participants completed the study. The researchers had hoped that masks would cut the infection rate by half among wearers. Instead, 42 people in the mask group, or 1.8 percent, got infected, compared with 53 in the unmasked group, or 2.1 percent. The difference was not statistically significant.
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Dr. Mette Kalager, a researcher at Telemark Hospital in Norway and the Harvard School of Public Health, was persuaded. The study showed that “although there might be a symbolic effect,” she wrote in an email, “the effect of wearing a mask does not substantially reduce risk” for wearers.
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Dr. Christine Laine, editor in chief of the Annals of Internal Medicine, described the previous evidence that masks protect wearers as weak. “These studies cannot differentiate between source control and personal protection of the mask wearer,” she said.
Dr. Laine said the new study underscored the need for adherence to other precautions, like social distancing. Masks “are not a magic bullet,” she said. “There are people who say, ‘I’m fine, I’m wearing a mask.’ They need to realize they are not invulnerable to infection.”
Of course, continue to practice social distancing and wash your hands for 20-seconds as often as possible, but this mask stuff has again taken a hit. With that, I don’t know who to trust. It changes, almost like the number of glasses of water one should drink a day. First, they said eight glasses, and then they said that’s too much; we’re pissing away proper nutrients. All I know is that when you don’t know, you can’t issue mask mandates, nor can you issue lockdowns. This is an era where information abounds. People are going to find out over 180-degree reversals like this—and when they do, they are bound not to listen to these people anymore. Any credibility is shattered. It’s already been shattered. You cannot protest or, in the case of Notre Dame, storm a football field when your team beats a #1-ranked opponent in Clemson, but celebrating in the streets and sharing bottles of champagne post-Election Day is okay in the cities. In California, Gov. Gavin Newsom was forced to eat crap when he issued his "you have to stay inside" order, only to abscond to Napa Valley for a dinner with multiple friends. The lawmakers from this state also backed lockdowns before going to Maui. Yeah, and people wonder why there’s so much opposition to lockdowns. The experts don’t know anything. The Democrats are getting off on the lockdown authority harder than Jeffrey Toobin on a Zoom call. A lockdown that’s not based on solid scientific evidence, or at the very least evidence where the jury is indeed still out, like masks, isn’t a public safety measure—it’s a power grab. And the American people have caught on to it.
“The study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, did not contradict growing evidence that masks can prevent transmission of the virus from wearer to others. “
This has always been the point of wearing a mask. It’s why surgeons wear one while operating. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
I know that was the case earlier this year. Not sure if still the case.
If you can’t get HCQ -the owner of a conspiracy site Godlikeproductions thinks he had COVID... He said Cinchona bark saved him.
Recall the scenes from China from January/February of people in full hazmat suits.
Bare arms, no gloves and a simple bandage over the nose and mouth aren’t going to be any credible defense against THAT.
The people in the lab wore even heavier gear.
Yes...Masks SHOULD be personal choice...right now mask Nazis are the problem
Less fatality than the seasonal flu for those below 40. Incentives to diagnose and totally unreliable tests.
The question is who is benefiting from all this?
China and their DNC surrogates?
Medical grade masks are designed to stop germs or bacteria, much larger organisms than dead, inert submicroscopic viruses.
And they should be worn only for short periods of time before being disposed of in bio-hazard containers.
There is so much misinformation floating around the country from these so-called government medical experts who flip-flop back and forth on masks, that no one knows what is true or not true.
You won’t need the HCQ, then :-)
Just plenty of fluids and rest.
That, and venting my spleen here...
“Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial. But the findings conflict with those from a number of other studies, experts said, and is not likely to alter public health recommendations in the United States.”
I can tell you that there is 1 big lie here. The studies DO NOT conflict with findings of other studies. Once you read those studies and the conclusions they all basically tell you the same thing. Masks aka homemade face coverings for the general public going about their daily business do not have any proven benefit in stopping COVID and may even increase the risk of infection/contamination.
Keep in mind that most of these studies were usually concerned with the wearing of surgical masks by health care workers.
You can believe that masks help, but they don’t.
I’ll bet...
You don’t store your mask in a paper bag or sterile container
You don’t wash your hands and put gloves on to put on your mask.
You touch your mask with unsterile hands to adjust the fit or clear fogged up glasses
You don’t wash your hands, put on gloves and remove your mask while placing it in a paper bag or sterile container.
You don’t sterilize the mask with Virex, ozone or UV light after each use or 20-30 minutes usage (manufacturers recommendation).
If you touch the mask without gloves on the inside you still use the contaminated mask, now in contact with your mouth, nose and eyes, you don’t destroy the mask.
But if it makes you feel safe, that’s a good thing.
You can do studies till the cows come home but there is still one inescapable fact, these face diapers, masks, etc. cannot stop a virus: PERIOD.
If you want to stop a virus from entering your nasal cavities or other orifices, wear a hazmat suit. That should get some looks of ridicule. I would if I could afford one simply because I have a twisted sense of humor.
Ditto. Pretty much what our mothers taught us when we were small. Sneeze into a kleenex & dispose of it. Enough with the masks!
Consider that 85% of people who have gotten COVID-19 faithfully wore masks.
85 Percent of COVID-19 Patients Contracted Virus Despite ‘Always’ or ‘Often’ Wearing a Mask (10-12-2020)
What bothers me about mask orders is that states never tell people to wash their masks at least once daily, or to consider taking vitamins D3 and C to fight COVID-19 and flu in my non-medical opinion.
The question is, are masks actually helping to spread the virus?
The Flu is Gone (11-13-20)
Flu cases ‘drop’ 95% compared to last year. Are patients being misdiagnosed as having COVID-19? (10-19-20)
Top Global Pathologist — ‘Coronavirus is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated’… (10-19-20, mentions vitamin D3)
"Never have a pandemic in an election year. /sarc" —me
We can have fun with this kind of thinking: “New Study Questions Whether AR-15’s Are Effective Home Defense Tools - You Need To Own One Anyway.” :)
and the same thing can be accomplished by covering you mouth or nose when you sneeze
surgeons wear masks because they cannot cover their coughs or sneezes while operating so it keeps large particles from falling in the operative field. It does nothing more than prevent gross contamination if the field
Masks, stop spray when coughing right ? But so does a Kleenex or handkerchief which was a normal thing until covid hysteria , which at least these are put away when done , not left on our faces with a constant stream of moist air blowing past, and turning the large droplets into fine a mist aerosol while culturing a petri dish of germs in our faces for hours
The fine holes on the mask fabric ? What about the big gaping cracks top and bottom left and right ? Unless the wearer has a fitted mask with a hermetic seal, any talk about the weave of the mask , is stupid, might as well use a fishnet stocking ..
Noses culture bacteria and virus so we should block them with anything is better than nothing ? This one is a doozy, because so do masks but that big gaping crack on the top of masks people are using without a hermetic seal , the germ filled vapor will be diverted towards our eyes.. So when we think we are outsmarting God to place a mask over our own natural filter , our NOSE,, God designed our noses to blow air away from our eyes, while man's better mask system now wants to blow it into the eyes? Yea , great idea !
You know what works? People who are vulnerable to catching a flu , a cold or having flies land on them should stay home , like they always have done, and not expect that its safe for society to be free from tyrannical covid laws unless grandpa can feel good about playing cards in a public bus station bathroom.
I wear masks as infrequently as possible. Maybe 5-10 minutes a day at most. Except on Sundays where the mind control devices are required at church.
I might cough into it but there’s absolutely no way I’m blowing snot all over the inside of the mask and all over my face. None.
Communist leaders told us long ago that the real ourpoof Political Corectness is demoralization. Not “changing the narrative” or other crap.
Demoralization.
By “forcing” self-enforced behaviors that the person knew were lies, demoralizes him. “I know this is BS, but I’m goingto say it anyway. Yes, I ama liar. I am lying to support the government. And I did it myself, and I hate myself for it. I freely chose to become a liar, rather than show courage.”
Masks are exactly this. Maybe 10% are True Believers. But probably 90% of mask wearers secretly, or definitely, think it is BS. But lying publicly to everyone around is is easier than being the lone courageous sole.”I am lying, but it’s easier. And yes, I feel awful about it. I am demoralized for freely giving up a sacred vale: telling the truth.”
Demoralized people are much easier to control. They are less likely to question. They obeyed once, the next one will be easier. And easier each time. Until I just obey, period, no matter how idiotic.
And THAT is the real reason behind masks.
I almost never wear one, and when I am forced to, to enter a business, I pull it down or off as soon as my back is turned to the mask nazi at the door. If some karen confronts me, I ignore them. Never argue. Just ignore. If “authority” confronts, I say Oops! Then put it on, than take it back off ASAP, again. And again.
Passive-agressive Resistance. Try it!
My wish? That the ‘Mask Nazis’ had been 1/4 as vigilant finding ways to stop the weirdos & druggies from spreading AIDS and HEP-C.
But, that’s not politically correct now, is it?
Put me in the group that finds masks useless - however, if I’ve wanted to get anything DONE in the past NINE MONTHS, I’ve had to wear one in public to get groceries or gas, etc.
We are going to live to regret the whole year of 2020 - probably beyond. The isolation of our elderly and kids and computer ‘schooling,’ while keeping the HEALTHY locked up is going to damage us in ways we can’t even conceive of, yet!
I mean, I am the nicest person you’d ever want to share a foxhole with, and even *I* feel ‘STABBY’ more days than not!
LIBERATE WISCONSIN! LIBERATE AMERICA!
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