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To: Skywise

Death rates are not dropping and are actually in the rise. This rate is a leading indicator. We do have better treatment and if we can keep this away from the vulnerable, you might have a chance at keeping a low death rate but a lot of people want to ignore public health measures.


21 posted on 07/12/2020 10:22:40 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: hawkaw

I should have said, this rate is not a leading indicator.


22 posted on 07/12/2020 10:23:52 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: hawkaw

Not in my state.

Infection rates are almost doubled to about 500 a day (from around 300) but death rates are down to the single digits.


33 posted on 07/12/2020 10:47:16 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: hawkaw

Most people want to live their life. You need to get up dictatorial attitudes.


36 posted on 07/12/2020 10:53:54 AM PDT by ARW
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To: hawkaw

Ok Karen, the death rate was over 2,000 per day in early spring.


47 posted on 07/12/2020 11:36:26 AM PDT by datura
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To: hawkaw; Skywise; datura
Death rates are not dropping and are actually in the rise.

Your unsubstantiated statement appears to be wrong:

Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 6.9% during week 26 to 5.5% during week 27, representing the eleventh week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently below the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

And simply citing "death rates" is misleading since it fails to differentiate btwn different fatality rates, which has to do with lethality relative to the infection rates, but one reason for the all-ages general “shutdown” is because the fatality rate is exaggerated by typically citing the case fatality rate (CFR) - which is high since it refers to those who were known or suspected to be infected and died, and overall, those who have tested positive are those who had symptoms, thus were the most likely to die - but as World Meters states[1],

The key point is that the “case fatality rate”, the most commonly discussed measure of the risk of dying What we want to know isn’t the case fatality rate: it’s the infection fatality rate.

The latter refers to those estimated to be infected but not tested as being so, and which by far is the majority, with about 80% of such not having symptoms or recovering without medical care. [2] And as regards (even) New York City - which is an extreme case, WorldMeters stated that of May 1,

the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4% (1.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 have a fatal outcome, while 98.6% recover).

However, and even more accurate figure as regards the threat COVID-19 poses is that of the Crude Mortality Rate (CMR) that of deaths per 100,000, and Worldometers stated that

As of May 1, 23,430 people are estimated to have died out of a total population of 8,398,748 in New York City. This corresponds to a 0.28% crude mortality rate to date, or 279 deaths per 100,000 population, or 1 death every 358 people.

Then you have the Mortality Rate by Age, regarding which,

“in New York City up to May 12, only 690 (4.5% of all deaths) occurred in patients under the age of 65 who did not have an underlying medical condition.” While those under 65-year-old had a 0.09% CMR to date.

So far there has been 1 death every 1,166 people under 65 years old (compared to 1 death every 358 people in the general population). And 89% of the times, the person who died had one or more underlying medical conditions.

And as noted, NYC is an outlier, with a far higher rate of infections, much due to population density and the harmful pratice of sending infected persons to nursing homes. And close to half of all COVID-19 deaths have occurred in long-term care facilities, especially elder care facilities which account for over 40% of US deaths. [3] [4]

Which means that the 99.4 percent of the country that does not reside in those facilities is roughly half as likely to die of COVID-19,[8] even to the fatality rate of COVID-19 probably being “0.13 percent for people outside nursing homes and 0.26 percent — identical to the CDC best estimate — when people in nursing homes were included.”[5]

See Does COVID-19 truly warrant a nationwide shutdown? for more.

The second reason for the unprecedented reaction to COVID-19 is that of the Democrat political goal to strangle the economy and thereby obtain the White House and force submission to its many immoral demonic and murderous goals.

Footnotes

[1] Mortality Risk of COVID-19 - Statistics and Research
[2] https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200306-sitrep-46-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=96b04adf_4#:~:text=For%20COVID%2D19%2C,infections%2C%20requiring%20ventilation. .

59 posted on 07/12/2020 2:18:44 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: hawkaw

650 deaths yesterday = 13-14 deaths per state.


61 posted on 07/12/2020 2:44:20 PM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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