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Drop the term Anglo-Saxon as it is ‘bound up with white supremacy’, say academics
The Times ^ | 11/8/2019

Posted on 11/11/2019 4:29:59 AM PST by Altura Ct.

Academics have called for the term Anglo-Saxon to be dropped because it is “bound up with white supremacy” — an idea described as “mad as a bag of ferrets” by one historian.

The term traditionally refers to groups from across the North Sea, including Angles and Saxons, who settled in Britain after the end of Roman rule, and to their descendants and their culture until the Norman Conquest.

However, it has also been used by imperialists and white-supremacists to describe white people of British origin. Hitler wrote admiringly of “Anglo-Saxon determination” to hold India. Some academics believe that the term is not only tainted by these associations but is also historically inaccurate.

The term “Anglo-Saxon” gained popularity in the 1700-1800s as a way of linking white people “to their supposed origins”

Mary Rambaran-Olm, a specialist in early medieval England, wrote this week in History

(Excerpt) Read more at thetimes.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglosaxons; brexit; brexitparty; helixmakemineadouble; maryrambaranolm; medievalistsofcolor; middleages; nigelfarage; renaissance; romanempire; unitedkingdom
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To: Verginius Rufus
Most experts on Indo-European origins seem to think that the area just north of the Black Sea [..]

Yes, quite true, but I wanted to focus on only one flaw at a time in the posting to which I was responding. It seemed to me to be more egregious to claim that English originated at a time before even Old English was spoken.

Regards,

61 posted on 11/11/2019 9:01:57 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
A gravely misleading statement?

That sounds a little dramatic.

If you take the “Indo” out of “Indo-European,” how do you get to English?

Not through German, which would not exist either.

Anyway, I also enjoy rattling the cages of the Political Left by claiming that I am African-American, since 95% of my DNA emigrated from Africa about 70,000 years ago.

62 posted on 11/12/2019 3:52:23 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Altura Ct.

So I can’t be a WASP any more? Bummer.


63 posted on 11/12/2019 4:16:28 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("I've read the back of The Book, and we win.")
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To: Altura Ct.

Anglo-Saxon is specifically for the English.

Scots aren’t Anglo-Saxon, neither are welsh, nor Irish nor French nor German nor Spaniards nor Dutch nor Scandinavians nor Poles.

If they want to stop using it as short-hand for “white” I agree with them. If they want to just drop it for political correctness, I’m against it.

Just as hate the term “white” or “black” - those colors just cover all the regional cultures.

A white italian or welshman are culturally and linguistically and even in looks different.

the same for a black Senegalese or a Tanzanian - quite different


64 posted on 11/12/2019 11:24:38 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: MulberryDraw

English-Americans? :)


65 posted on 11/12/2019 11:25:30 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: MarkL

hitler wasn’t a white supremacist. He wanted to exterminate Poles and Russians - both people are more blonde and blue-eyed than Germans.

He allied with Magyar and Finns - peoples who aren’t Aryan but have some Mongoloid blood.

he allied with the Japanese - again, not “white”


66 posted on 11/12/2019 11:27:02 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: zeestephen

“The English language clearly has it’s origin in northwest India.”?????


67 posted on 11/12/2019 11:27:53 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: dfwgator

I personally don’t like the Pan-slav either - they forget that the power of the Slavs was that

1. they accepted a lot of people and acculturised them - Chopin was half-French and there were plenty of Tatars, Germans etc. who became Poles and Russians. And of course Russia’s national poet was 1/8th Ethiopian

2. Some try too desperately to push slavic history beyond the 6th century. Almost as desperate as Afrocentrism. There is no need for either, Slavs may have a shorter history but they have a deep one as well


68 posted on 11/12/2019 11:30:59 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: zeestephen; alexander_busek; Verginius Rufus

I hold to the Kurgan or Central Asian uhrmheit for Indo-Europeans. The greatest variety in IE was in that region before the TurkiC invasions starting in the 7th century.

And Lithuanian is so close to Sanskrit it’s nearly mutually comprehensible.

English is a fairly modern, bastard language - a mix of Germanic words and French grammar (French itself being a mix of Latin and Germanic).

I spent time learning some basic Hindi and junked it when I came to the conclusion it was almost as bastardised as English - being a mix of Prakrit and Arabized Persian.

But I started learning Sanskrit (would’ve continued on that if I didn’t have to put so much effort for Polski) - now THAT is a fantastically logical tongue


69 posted on 11/12/2019 11:34:47 AM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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To: seowulf
We need to investigate. Maybe it was some Jutes were lodged the complaint because they were tired of being ignored. But "Anglo-Saxon-Jute" is a bit of a mouthful.

This country has been dominated by WASJPs (White Anglo-Saxon-Jute Protestants).

70 posted on 11/12/2019 1:34:09 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Maybe it was some Jutes were lodged the complaint because they were tired of being ignored. But "Anglo-Saxon-Jute" is a bit of a mouthful.

The Jutes never got any respect, and were always considered separate.

You have of course heard of the Jutish American Princess?

71 posted on 11/12/2019 2:09:53 PM PST by seowulf
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To: Cronos
I hold to the Kurgan or Central Asian uhrmheit for Indo-Europeans.

Wie bitte?!

Regards,

72 posted on 11/12/2019 9:01:09 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

Sehr gute — my German is barely passable - I could speak it well enough at a b1 level until I moved to Poland and started learning polski. Then zero. Now my son has German at beginner level, so I’m at A1 level.

the term is “Urheimat” - not the uhrmheit I wrote, sorry

But basically I thought it was now an English linguistics term in common usage.

it means homeland


73 posted on 11/12/2019 11:52:14 PM PST by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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