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Trump’s Opposition to ‘Endless Wars’ Appeals to Those Who Fought Them
NY Times ^ | Nov 1 2019 | By Jennifer Steinhauer

Posted on 11/02/2019 10:30:19 PM PDT by rintintin

WASHINGTON — Tyler Wade was awarded the Purple Heart while serving in Afghanistan, and says he is “proud of everything” he did during his service. He also believes the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan were a mistake, as do a growing number of veterans — from retired generals to those who served across the enlisted ranks, from supporters of President Trump to “resistance” Democrats.

“All in all, it is a lot of wasted lives and money and time and effort spent to accomplish a goal we never accomplished,” said Mr. Wade, 31, who was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan during his five years in the Marines and is now a nursing student in Las Vegas.

Nearly two decades after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, polls show that a majority of all veterans have grown disenchanted with the continuing wars, even if the national security elite in both parties continue to press for an American military presence in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. The view is in stark contrast to widespread support for the wars across the military and veterans community — and the general population — when President George W. Bush first sent American troops to Afghanistan and then Iraq.

The shifting attitudes of so many who served in the wars help explain why Mr. Trump has support among veterans as he brings troops home and has resisted military action against other nations. There is a slow but steadily increasing alliance of those on the left and the right on Capitol Hill to curb what Mr. Trump calls “endless wars.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2020election; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; election2020; mediawingofthednc; military; neocons; partisanmediashills; presstitutes; smearmachine; wars
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To: dp0622

The question to be asked is it likely the raghead countries be fighting among themselves a hundred years from now, as they have done for a thousand years? If yes, then why should we get in the middle?

Oil? Thanks to “Drill, Baby, Drill” we have our own now.


21 posted on 11/03/2019 3:59:28 AM PST by abb
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To: abb

Great point.

But I am guessing the next D will slash our oil production.

Ya know, the carbon footprint and all... /s


22 posted on 11/03/2019 4:01:14 AM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: dp0622

“Get out of here, really?}

Band of Brothers had a short scene about. Like I said, it didn’t last long.

L


23 posted on 11/03/2019 4:58:35 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: dp0622
My Dad and most of my Uncles fought in WW2. I always wanted to be in the military until my cousin got home from Vietnam. His squad was pinned down, everybody wounded or killed and they never did get permission to return fire. That ended it for me.
Here's a list of conflicts we're dabbling in for the benefit of someone or something other than We the People. Or put another way; foreign intrigue.

War in Afghanistan 2001-present
Iraq War 2003 - 2011
War in North-West Pakistan 2004 - present
Second U.S. Intervention in the Somali Civil War 2007 - present
Operation Ocean Shield (Somali pirates) 2009 -2016
International intervention in Libya 2011
Operation Observant Compass (Uganda) 2011 -2017
American-led intervention in Iraq 2014 - present
American-led intervention in Syria 2014 -= present
Yemeni Civil War 2015 - present
American intervention in Libya 2015 - present

24 posted on 11/03/2019 5:04:17 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (# of takeoffs = # of landings)
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To: Mark17
We used to "always fight the last war" but now we literally: still fight the last wars
25 posted on 11/03/2019 5:06:47 AM PST by Theophilus (Ich bin ein Hong Konger)
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To: dp0622
We all got sucked into that one. What was our alternative? We knew the left were sh@tfilled liars, we didn't want to believe our own side was full of it as well.

And yet it was. The deep state engineered the lie, got thousands of our kids killed or mained in a place where the best they could expect from the local goat-f*ckers was to get spit on.

To hell with all of them.

I hope PDJT has every last one of the conspirators hung for high treason.

26 posted on 11/03/2019 5:41:25 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rdcbn
It takes a democrat to lose a war that's already won.

Although bush jr. didn't have the political will or the cojones to allow us to continue the fight. After Fallujah, we were supposed to clear Ar Ramadi, and a few other cities.........but, his viagra must've run out, and the shit heads just bided their time and trying to avoid a direct confrontation until their fellow traveler occupied the white hut.

Then they swept most of Iraq and half of Syria....and established strongholds in more than a dozen countries. All the while the "policymakers" held onto the misguided belief that "democracy" and civil society would spontaneously emerge if only we would hand out more candy and teddy bears.

27 posted on 11/03/2019 5:53:40 AM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: rintintin

He talks of putting an end to endless wars, but where is the evidence?
We pulled 50 troops out of Northern Syria but followed that up by moving in 1,000 to protect Syrian oil fields.
We have sent more troops to Saudi Arabia to protect their oil fields.
There were about 10,000 troops in Afghanistan when he took office. Now there are about 12,000.


28 posted on 11/03/2019 6:18:57 AM PST by oincobx
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To: dp0622

Trump is the hawk, bring our boys home candidate. The man creates a never seen before reality.


29 posted on 11/03/2019 6:19:02 AM PST by hardspunned
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To: oincobx

Trump will not do anything stupid like the democrat cut and run in Southeast Asia. The best way to gauge how well he is doing is how many casualties have we suffered in the last thirty months? If Trump sees a need for a military presence but our troops aren’t dying and the host country is footing the bill, I’ll trust Trump.


30 posted on 11/03/2019 6:40:55 AM PST by hardspunned
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To: dp0622

“But we have plenty of nukes and are in a 20 year war”

It takes two things to win a war - weapons and will.

We have weapons up the wazoo, what we are in very short supply is the will.


31 posted on 11/03/2019 7:33:58 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you care!)
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To: rintintin

The increasing alliance of those on the left and the right on Capitol Hill to curb what Mr. Trump calls “endless wars.”

The NYT may want to look onto what party made the most money from wars.


32 posted on 11/03/2019 8:01:01 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Lurker

Still it was maybe one of the first glimmers of PC?

I dunno.

Thank God it didn’t last long.

Ciao


33 posted on 11/03/2019 6:06:09 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Good Grief.

I read that we had a ship off some coast during the Johnson administration and it wasn’t a war ship but fighter jets attacked it furiously and I think it was an American friend that attacked.

Anyway, Johnson wouldn’t let US jet fighters go to the scene even though they were close.

Our govt sucks sometimes


34 posted on 11/03/2019 6:07:55 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: aquila48

I actually think the American people, including myself, supported the war WAY PAST when we should have.

55 to 60 percent of the people here are still very good people.

But presidents and congress have become MONSTERS full of GREED and LUST.

Not that there’s anything wrong with lust now and then :)

But not 24/7 and too many times involving children.

Trump is great but the congress is still a sickening, decaying stench filled cesspool


35 posted on 11/03/2019 6:09:59 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: Caipirabob

TENS of thousands with brain injuries due to all the IEDs.

A brain injury is a horrible thing and it breaks my heart reading how much they suffer.

I had a severe head injury 13 years ago and it took about 5 or 6 years before things got better.

It’s not like folks think. It can take a few years for the cascade of issue in the brain to STOP doing damage. Then the healing begin. Not in all cases of course.

I still have some remaining symptoms but NOTHING like many, many of the soldiers.

It’s something I like to donate to and follow online.

It rips my heart out, many of the cases.


36 posted on 11/03/2019 6:13:49 PM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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