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Untenable Alliance Is No Turkish Delight
Townhall.com ^ | October 24, 2019 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 10/24/2019 1:52:43 AM PDT by Kaslin

There are about 5,000 members of the U.S. military, mostly airmen, stationed at the huge, strategically located air base in Incirlik, Turkey, northwest of the Syrian border.

The American forces at Incirlik are also the custodians of about 50 B61 nuclear bombs. Data on these weapons is classified, but at their maximum yield each is 10 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima, according to Stars and Stripes.

It's a "Dr. Strangelove" scenario: No one quite knows how the American contingent could manage to secretly remove the deadly nukes from their concrete vaults, bring them out to the tarmac, load them on planes and fly them out safely over Turkish objections.

Turkey in the past has threatened to go nuclear itself should the U.S. ever dare to transfer the lethal arsenal. Apparently, Turkey's theory is that possession of bombs in one's territory is 9/10ths of the law of nuclear weapons ownership.

In the aftermath of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, which led to a U.S. arms embargo, Turkey shut down all U.S. operations at Incirlik. American forces were expelled for three years -- until Washington caved and resumed arms supplies.

In 2016, Turkey cut off power to the base and forbid U.S. flights, fearing that the dissident Turkish generals of a failed coup attempt might use the American facility as a sanctuary.

Under Islamist strongman Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey has become NATO's only non-democratic nation. It's also NATO's only Muslim-majority member. Erdogan has been trying to re-create Turkey as a new Ottoman imperial power. He feels no allegiance to Western-style democracy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: erdogan; kurdistan; receptayyiperdogan; turkey
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1 posted on 10/24/2019 1:52:43 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I would think they’d have the ability to destroy them. Without setting them off, of course.


2 posted on 10/24/2019 1:59:58 AM PDT by Ken H (Crooked Hillary => Queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, personification of rot)
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Even with the mechanisms destroyed, that’s still a lot of weapons grade plutonium that could be used to make new bombs.

Only thing that would work would be packing them in thermite and burning the plutonium. Of course, that would make the surrounding area a radioactive wasteland worse than Chernobyl.


3 posted on 10/24/2019 2:07:34 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others.)
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To: Ken H
No one quite knows how the American contingent could manage to secretly remove the deadly nukes from their concrete vaults, bring them out to the tarmac, load them on planes and fly them out safely over Turkish objections.

The bigger question is: Are they actually there?

4 posted on 10/24/2019 2:11:27 AM PDT by SanchoP
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To: Kaslin
There are about 5,000 members of the U.S. military, mostly airmen, stationed at the huge, strategically located air base in Incirlik, Turkey,

I was at Incirlik too. I hated the place. I never considered Turkey to be our ally.

5 posted on 10/24/2019 2:27:27 AM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Couldn’t they remove the plutonium and send it back to the U.S., then destroy what’s left of the bombs?


6 posted on 10/24/2019 2:43:25 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Kaslin
Turkey is in conflict with two NATO member states, the USA and Greece.

Why is Turkey in NATO?

7 posted on 10/24/2019 2:50:08 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Islam---At war with Western Civilization for 1400 years.)
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To: virgil

Probably far easier to move the bombs intact...


8 posted on 10/24/2019 3:26:18 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Why is Turkey in NATO?

Because the Deep States on both sides of The Pond wanted it in.

9 posted on 10/24/2019 3:31:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Kaslin
For at least 4 years, Erdogan has been flashing brilliant red signals that his ultimate plan is to create an Islamic dictatorship in Turkey.

It is incomprehensible that Trump continues to treat him like a respected friend of the USA.

10 posted on 10/24/2019 3:34:11 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

I think it’s totally comprehensible. It’s like a hostage negotiator.


11 posted on 10/24/2019 3:42:31 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: zeestephen

Hopefully Trump is doing the diplomatic equivalent of saying “nice doggie!” to a snarling mutt that has suddenly appeared, while looking for a rock.


12 posted on 10/24/2019 3:43:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster; McGavin999
Re: a snarling mutt that has suddenly appeared

But, that's my main point - this is not sudden.

Erdogan staged a fake coup d’état when Obama was still president.

The mass refugee crisis in Europe was started by Erdogan. He did not stop it until Europe (mainly Germany) agreed to pay him billions of Euros.

This man has been a dangerous enemy for many years.

13 posted on 10/24/2019 4:02:14 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

America has a long sad history of accepting snakes into the fold—Saudia Arabia, communist China are examples. Make it clear who is our friend—Israel, Taiwan, kick Turkey out of NATO.


14 posted on 10/24/2019 4:06:39 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: zeestephen

No arguments. I think we should have decamped from Turkey when they wouldn’t allow us to stage OIF from there in 2003. The handwriting was on the wall then. And I saw a talk from a journalist who barely got himself and his family out with their lives about 3-4 years ago, when Erdogan completely took over any independent media outlets. Very eye open, a view into what real tyranny looks like. They have no business in NATO or the EU.

But Trump has been distracted by the ongoing soft coup, I’ll give him a pass for not having extracted our forces after less than 3 years.


15 posted on 10/24/2019 4:20:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

That 2003 spat should have been reason enough to create a Kurdistan in Northern Iraq

But State department critters and communists are always around to make sure we make the worst of friends such as Sauds and Bahamians and abandon the best such as Iranians or Cubans


16 posted on 10/24/2019 4:56:19 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified e)
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To: Kaslin

Under Islamist strongman Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey has become NATO’s only non-democratic nation. It’s also NATO’s only Muslim-majority member.


17 posted on 10/24/2019 5:25:39 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: zeestephen
As a member of the middle east Turkey belongs in a box with a padlock. The only country to voluntarily do so is Israel. The rest have to be forced. Taking back part of Syria from the Kurds is their way of keeping the Kurds in their virtual box.

Swapping him for a different dictator would be complicated. Getting a moderate elected there is unlikely considering the religion and history.

18 posted on 10/24/2019 6:03:48 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: FreedomPoster
allow us to stage OIF from there in 2003.

I was in Iraq in 2003-2004. I have always believed and taught that this was the reason so many of Saddam's troops and weapons were able to dissipate into thin air. If we had come in from both directions, we would have captured many of those units in the field and been able to properly control the situation.

Because of Turkey, we had to send the troops all the way back to Kuwait, and gave them more time to prepare the insurgency.
19 posted on 10/24/2019 6:23:38 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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20 posted on 10/24/2019 7:39:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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