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New York Passes Law To Thwart Presidential Pardon Power
Hotair ^ | 10/16/2019 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 10/16/2019 7:45:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Watch, the first person caught up in this will be a Democrat. Then they will whine like stick pigs about the unfairness.


21 posted on 10/16/2019 8:55:38 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: SeekAndFind

The blatant racist cuomo passes a law while shouting out that trump is a racist for not warning ILLEGALS to flow into our country-

these liberal racists are so blinded by hate, they can’t even see their own hypocrisy!


22 posted on 10/16/2019 9:11:48 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: SeekAndFind

Does this really change anything? Are there actually identical state and federal charges for any given crime? Can’t the state already charge someone pardoned by the president if state charges apply? Like the cops in the Rodney King case, but in reverse order?


23 posted on 10/16/2019 9:15:43 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3786604/posts


24 posted on 10/16/2019 9:19:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SeekAndFind

First thought; The state of NY can’t change the US President’s Constitutional pardoning powers. Second thought; look what a number of states have done to the Second Amendment, they’ve decimated it. The
SCOTUS refuses to hear challenges to the states nullifying much of the 2nd and very likely scotus won’t hear any challenge to this issue either.


25 posted on 10/16/2019 10:19:17 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

they are panicking

Trump needs to get off his ass and start pushing the cases forward

start CHARGING people already


26 posted on 10/16/2019 10:24:49 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind

LIBS/DIMS are such inveterate a’holes. They only exist to be humiliated, crushed, ridiculed and made irrelevant. Jerks doesn’t begin to describe these malignancies on civil society.


27 posted on 10/16/2019 10:32:57 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp???)
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To: Bommer

Now that would be interesting.


28 posted on 10/16/2019 10:37:18 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp???)
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To: SeekAndFind

Precedent for a violation of interstate commerce. This is a brazen attack by a state on federal officials. NYC wants to sue people who are out of state. I 5hought this was abolished with pursuit of blacks to be brought to slavery from accross state lines?

By the way the MSS Chicoms kidnap people in Hong Kong the same way


29 posted on 10/17/2019 4:00:09 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified e)
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To: SeekAndFind

Meanwhile, state and local corruption is running amok in NYS, and Albany either aids and abets, covers up, or ignores.

I wish Cuomo would run for prez. It might get some of it exposed to daylight and cleaned up.


30 posted on 10/17/2019 4:02:13 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What do you say about a person who is already labeled a scumbag


31 posted on 10/17/2019 4:46:15 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (nic dip.com)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

” Are there actually identical state and federal charges for any given crime? “

In many cases there are because States cannot enforce fed law. However, to simply saw State law is fed law won’t stand the challenge.


32 posted on 10/17/2019 4:58:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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The Fifth Amendment says that no person shall “be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” Therefore state and federal crimes must be different or they cannot try a person twice for the same “crime.” That’s why in the Rodney King case the police were first tried for assault crimes by the state then later of violating the civil rights of Rodney King by the feds. I don’t see how this law changes anything unless the presidential pardon were to occur before a trial on federal charges were brought, as in Ford’s preemptive pardon of Nixon.


33 posted on 10/17/2019 5:11:47 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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What they are trying to say is that State law is anything and everything that is federal law. So, if Trump pardons someone for a federal law crime, New York thinks it can prosecute for the same crime.

Problem is, New York State doesn’t have jurisdiction in most cases of federal law, so this law wouldn’t even stand a jurisdiction challenge.


34 posted on 10/17/2019 5:14:22 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They need to write the law to say it only applies to those pardoned by a President that democrats don’t like.


35 posted on 10/17/2019 5:15:23 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: CodeToad

I guess I assumed even democrats wouldn’t be that brazenly insane. Silly me.


36 posted on 10/17/2019 5:24:54 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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To: CodeToad

I read the NBC article referenced in the main Hotair article. I’m not so sure this law does what you says it does after all. In fact I think it’s just for show, like the impeachment inquiry that isn’t really an impeachment inquiry. The last sentence of the NBC article reads “While presidents can pardon federal crimes, they cannot pardon state offenses.” This law does nothing and if they try to make state law cover federal offenses that won’t fly.


37 posted on 10/17/2019 5:32:16 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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To: LibWhacker

These are the birds who consider the constitution to be a “living document”, which means it can—and must—be changed whenever the mood strikes them.

But democrats when they change the rules always wind up getting bit in the ass. And it’s a glorious thing to watch.


38 posted on 10/17/2019 5:35:11 AM PDT by VideoPaul
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These are the birds who consider the constitution to be a “living document”, which means it can—and must—be changed whenever the mood strikes them.

But democrats when they change the rules always wind up getting bit in the ass. And it’s a glorious thing to watch.


39 posted on 10/17/2019 5:35:23 AM PDT by VideoPaul
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But let’s say that the law stands. The reality is that it might come back to bite them in the end. Keep in mind that New York City produces a lot of powerful people who wind up being involved in the administrations of presidents of both parties. And the day will come when one of them needs a pardon from a Democratic president. Let’s see how fast they scramble to revoke the law when that happens.

If it happens, the (Democrat) NY Prosecutor will not prosecute.

40 posted on 10/17/2019 5:37:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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