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China suspends purchases of US farm products in retaliation for ‘serious violation’ of trade deal
South China Morning Post ^ | 08/05/2019 | Robert Delaney

Posted on 08/05/2019 1:02:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: central_va

No, America is not the only producer of agricultural goods. Only the number one ag producer in almost every category.

China cannot feed its people without help.

Apparently that fact has escaped your notice.


61 posted on 08/05/2019 3:13:37 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: central_va

Brainless? LOL.

Modern economies are driven by people transforming materials in one form to products (including intermediate materials) of another form.

In the semi-primitive Chinese economy, automation does not alleviate the need for people.

If China cannot feed its people, it cannot operate their economy.

This isn’t just economics. It includes sociology.


62 posted on 08/05/2019 3:19:43 PM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: central_va
There is a hierarchy to economies.

An economy is made up of three major sectors, primary, secondary, and tertiary.

The primary sector is agriculture; a nation has to feed itself. The agriculture sector is made up of wheats and grains, fruits and vegetables, meats, nuts, juices, etc. A nation without an agriculture sector will starve.

The secondary sector is industry; a nation has to be able to make things. This sector is made up of metals and ores, chemicals and materials, refining and manufacturing, intermediate and finished products, etc. A nation has to make things to grow.

The tertiary sector is services; a nation has to maintain itself to sustain. This sector is made up of the trade services (electrical, plumbing, A/C, automotive, etc.), professional services (advertising and marketing, sales, information, tourism, sciences, etc. A nation has to service its industry or it will collapse.

Even if agriculture is small relative to manufacturing, it's crucial to survival. It's a primary need.

If China looks to Europe or South America to buy, it will displace the existing markets for those goods because they won't be able to meet China's demand and still feed themselves. They would in turn have to buy from American farmers to make up the shortfall of product that was diverted to the Chinese market.

Trump is trying to realign the global supply chain. The world still needs the goods that are being produced; the demand isn't going away and the current supply will be consumed. It's just going to traverse a different route than before from producer to consumer.

-PJ

63 posted on 08/05/2019 3:22:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: SeekAndFind
China approves wheat, soy imports from Russia (07/26/2019)
64 posted on 08/05/2019 3:26:08 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: MortMan
No, America is not the only producer of agricultural goods. Only the number one ag producer in almost every category.

Only because it is subsidized.


The U.S. government presently pays about $25 billion in cash annually to farmers and owners of farmland. Congress legislates the number of farm subsidies typically through five-year farm bills. The last, The Agricultural Act of 2014 (the Act), also known as the 2014 Farm Bill, was signed by President Obama on Feb. 7, 2014.

What Are U.S. Farm Subsidies?

65 posted on 08/05/2019 3:26:30 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MortMan
America's farms contributed $132.8 billion of this sum—about 1 percent of GDP.

Farm subsidies ($25B) are 20% of the agri GDP!! LOL!!!

66 posted on 08/05/2019 3:28:37 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It sounds like China wants to reduce its population via starvation.


67 posted on 08/05/2019 3:31:04 PM PDT by myerson
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To: myerson

I hope Xi gets overthrown. I want the masked ripped off on the “we’re nice commies” con game.


68 posted on 08/05/2019 3:33:14 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Black Agnes

After reading this Thread, I decided the solution has to be higher food prices. Farmers are not getting their fair share. Nobody works harder than the American farmers and take such a risk year after year. They deserve a fair price for their corn, soybeans, beef, pork and any other products they produce.

By the way if farmers cannot make a profit how may tractors, combines, planters and other equip manufactured in the US will be sold to these farmers?


69 posted on 08/05/2019 3:33:26 PM PDT by SoftwareDeveloper
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To: SeekAndFind

Agriculture and its related industries provide 11 percent of U.S. employment

Food accounts for 12.9 percent of American households’ expenditures

Food manufacturing accounts for 14 percent of all U.S. manufacturing employees

Food and nutrition assistance programs make up the largest share of USDA outlays

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/ag-and-food-sectors-and-the-economy.aspx


70 posted on 08/05/2019 3:42:06 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: central_va

Fake, fraud phony, plastic banana hiding behind your keyboard you oily twat.


71 posted on 08/05/2019 3:53:35 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thank you for your articulate response.


72 posted on 08/05/2019 4:06:17 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: SeekAndFind

If The Donald stops imports from the Chi- coms their economy crashes
If he were to do that here, wal mart would crash
More than a fair trade


73 posted on 08/05/2019 4:17:25 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Molon Labe' baby, Molon Labe)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear President Trump: Please just cut to the chase and impose a trade embargo on China and then cancel the H1-B visa program and send all of China’s spies back home where they belong!


74 posted on 08/05/2019 4:19:57 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: myerson

China does not have to buy everything from the USA. There are other agricultural based countries that can pick up the slack. They are not going to cause starvation for their people.


75 posted on 08/05/2019 4:27:37 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: central_va; unlearner

“...but you can’t build one of these factories in 4 weeks CAN YOU?”

One of the amazing aspects of American manufacturing is the ability to retool and to do it quickly. Automobile factories retool every year and changing from producing cars to producing tanks would take about eight to ten weeks by modern standards.

In WW2 American factories took sometimes as little as a few days to retool from manufacturing consumer goods to producing war materiel.

Maytag retooled their existing washing machine production to making turrets for aircraft (it’s almost the same technology) and it took them about three weeks.

So, yes, it can be done if the will exists to do it.

But I suspect that if the US were to enter a serious war with China then the first enemies we’d have to defeat would be the ones we already have right here at home.

And the tools for that fight are already in your gun safe.


76 posted on 08/05/2019 4:35:34 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Were they buying the goods in the first place?


77 posted on 08/05/2019 4:44:05 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Raycpa
Agriculture and its related industries provide 11 percent of U.S. employment

Let me make his more clear agriculture is 2% of employment( 4% if you count fishing and timber) and related industries are 10%. Fixed it.

78 posted on 08/05/2019 5:10:34 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Even if agriculture is small relative to manufacturing, it's crucial to survival. It's a primary need.

Oh bunk. We subsidize them to the tune of $25B a year the little snow flakes. Manufacturing and industry are keys to becoming a 1st world nation. Our founders were all protectionists, every one of them.

79 posted on 08/05/2019 5:13:06 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MeganC
Dear President Trump: Please just cut to the chase and impose a trade embargo on China and then cancel the H1-B visa program and send all of China’s spies back home where they belong!

Hear, hear!!! And eliminate ALL farm subsidies!!!

80 posted on 08/05/2019 5:14:43 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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