Posted on 01/30/2019 11:14:28 AM PST by fishtank
Could the Flood have been tranquil? Adapted from the author’s The Genesis Account: A theological, historical, and scientific commentary on Genesis 1–11, 2015.1
by Jonathan Sarfati
1-30-2019
In response to the uniformitarian dogma of Darwin’s mentor Charles Lyell, Scottish pastor-zoologist John Fleming (1785–1857) proposed a novel idea. That is, the Genesis Flood was real and global, but it left no trace, because it was a tranquil flood. Modern long-age creationist Norman Geisler (b. 1932) also holds this view.2
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
"The above is enough to show that a tranquil Flood is impossible in both the ascending and recessive phases of the Flood. But is there room for a period of tranquillity when the earth was totally covered by water?
Certainly not! The earth’s rotation alone would generate large-scale circulating oceanic currents, called gyres, above the flooded continents. Tidal effects would be another generator of water currents.
Calculations show that these gyres could have flowed at 40–80 m/s (90–180 mph), over a diameter of about 2,500 km.5 "
Could have been a huge meteor strike in the open ocean..................
“Tranquil”...yeah, that is the word I would use to describe a flood that wiped out all of earth’s human population except for 8 people. /s
Ain’t sure why it matters,,,
Unless Your name is Noah.
the Genesis Flood was real and global, but it left no trace, because it was a tranquil flood.”
It left a lot of traces. I say The Flood is still with us. The floodwaters reside in the Atlantic, Pacific and other oceans.
God was punishing Mankind for driving SUVs. Notice there were none on the Arc. Noah didn’t even have a drivers license, so God knew he could be trusted to supervise loading.
Not tranquil for those a-knock’n on da Ark...
“It rained 40 days, 40 nights without stopping
Noah was glad when the rain stopped dropping
Knock at the window, a knock at the door
Crying brother Noah can’t you take on more
Noah cried no, you’re full of sin
God got the key and you can’t get in”
The word for "world" used throughout the Noah flood story is the same Hebrew word "'erets" used for world, land or country in much of the rest of the Old Testament, including Genesis. For example in Genesis 12:1 when God told Abram to "go away from your <'erets>", everybody interprets that as Abram going away from his country instead of going away from the entire planet. So be open to the possibility that the erets-wide flood was regional-wide or country-wide, not necessarily global.
I, an old earth Christian, believe that if God wanted to wipe out the entire human race sans Noah and his kiddies He could do it with a flood that wiped out everybody by flooding just part of north Africa, maybe southwest Asia, if He chose. It's not like there were people living in Los Angeles before the great migration.
Think about the size of the ark and all the animals. It's possible God used His power to make room in the ark for 2 of every species of animal on the earth (plus 7 of the "clean" animals) in a Dr. Who Taurus type manner. It's also possible that by telling Noah to get all the animals of the "world" he was saying to just get ones in the region that would be wiped out by a big regional flood. (Another possibility is that by telling Noah to get two of every "kind" of animal a "kind" was possibly more like a genus than a species -- allowing microevolution to produce other species later.)
Main takeaways. Either way the flood was a really big, humanity-wipe-out event that I'm sure Noah and his family talked about the rest of their lives. Even if we believe the flood was regional like I do we should never doubt God's ability to be just as catastrophic with fire on his next round.
But we should be careful to paint Christian beliefs in a box where if we don't find Biblical or scientific evidence to support traditional belief A we wind up weaving a bunch of explanations why we see no evidence of it --- but our belief must still be exactly like we were told as kids. If we do too much of that we make Christianity look like it's based on pseudo-science like Scientology.
Yep!
Not only did it rain, but the fountains burst forth from the earth causing all sorts of mega tsunamis.
Read Jack Horner’s analysis on what would cause a dinosaur that weighed over 3 tons to have shattered legs and hips and yet still preserve the overall body. What type of force could lift and throw an animal that large to cause that damage? Not a carnivore. And all of the bodies were quickly covered up by sediment, hence fossilization.
The flood was a truly epic event and not even close to tranquil.
I’d say it was the entire world. Most megalithic structures in the Americas predate the flood (Ohio serpent mounds, Nazca, Bolivian ruins etc.)
The Great Lakes regions were mined for bronze and iron on a scale not seen until Roman times.
Of course, I don’t subscribe to how modern history is taught either.
Most of what is taught as history is BS IMO.
The sewers also backed up.
Thanks for the interesting reference!
So, you believe that man came from monkeys? or monkeys from amphibians, etc.?
Why do we believe there was never a worldwide flood? Why are flood legends considered myths?
Some interesting history and science about the matter in variuos posts here:
https://theworldwideflood.com/2018/10/27/articles-and-their-descriptions-2/
Based on the stuff at that site, the flood wasn’t a peaceful event.
No. I don't believe what some people call "theistic evolution", which is the belief that God took a kind of deistic approach and created us by setting up natural selection billions of years ago, then sat back and let His creation play out and eventually evolving into man.
I believe God had a hand in creating different animals over time. The Genesis account describes God's intensive hand in creating specifically plants, specifically birds, specifically animals on dry land, then specifically Adam and Eve. I'm open to the idea of a little microevolution (which is the belief that natural selection alone can bring minor mutations such as some descendants of wolves becoming modern day huskies).
But macroevolution is a non-starter both Biblically and in the archeological record. The Biblical record says that God created mankind with His Word and His breath, not by some automation He created before man. And the archeological record has nothing showing changes by natural selection across multiple phyla or even multiple genus (macroevolution).
I don't quite grasp the import of your picture of "Creation." Some people that read the first two chapters of Genesis believe that it all happened in six literal evening/morning days. What does your note say here?
But if your discussion is just with fellow believers like you and me who can have a friendly debate without worrying about turning each other away from God, then I'm all for each of us telling the basis of why we believe what we believe. Is that what you mean by "the import"?
There’s a lot of good stuff out there regarding the flood, it’s amazing power and the devastation it caused.
I wish I still had the link to the report written in the early 2000’s that I read that quoted Jack Horner and how perplexed he was about the injuries all of the Hadrosaurs had that were found in the badlands of Montana. It was as if some immovable force picked them up and slung them hundreds of feet.
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.
Imagine a mass of land and all of a sudden miles of earth erupt with water like a volcano the size of small islands, but everywhere.
I think your reference to nukes and bombs is right on.
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