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New Jersey Has No Idea How to Enforce Its 10-Round Magazine Limit Law
The Truth About Guns ^ | 12/08/18 | Dan Zimmerman

Posted on 12/08/2018 3:56:15 PM PST by Simon Green

Earlier this week, a Third Circuit three-judge panel ruled that New Jersey’s new law prohibiting possession of magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds is constitutional. That means New Jersey gun owners who own standard capacity magazines have until Monday to destroy them, alter them, or turn them in.

The question then becomes…what happens after Monday? New Jersey has upwards of a million gun owners. That means there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of magazines in the state that will be illegal after the deadline. We’re all the way down here in Texas, but if there were lines of gun owners wanting to turn in their prohibited magazines forming around every Garden State police station, that would probably be all over the news right now.

The Washington Free Beacon’s Steven Gutowski tried to get some answers as to how the hoplophobic powers that be in New Jersey plan to enforce their new law. Let’s just say they weren’t particularly forthcoming.

Neither the state police nor the attorney general’s office elaborated on how they plan to enforce the law. Nor did they provide any guidance for those currently in possession of the magazines. . . .

State police told the Washington Free Beacon the effort to enforce the law will be a statewide endeavor directed by the attorney general’s office. They would not comment other than to say they will enforce New Jersey’s laws.

“We will enforce the law of the state,” Lieutenant Theodore Schafer of the New Jersey State Police said. “That’s our plan.”

Schafer would not give any details on the agency’s plan to enforce the law and referred the Free Beacon to the attorney general’s office for further questions.

Surely the AG’s office has some guidance, since Attorney General Gurbir Grewal has been such a fan and outspoken supporter of the new magazine capacity limit law.

Leland Moore, a public information officer for the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General, refused to answer any questions on how the state planned to deal with gun owners who did not comply with the new law. He would not say if the attorney general has any guidance at all for those who currently own the magazines being targeted, which gun-rights activists have estimated to be up to a million New Jersey residents, or provide any insight about how the state will deal with those who don’t turn in, modify, or destroy their magazines.

“We have no comment,” Moore said to multiple inquiries.

It’s almost as if they don’t really have a plan at all for how to enforce their shiny new confiscation law. That’s because, in all likelihood, they don’t. Just look at New York’s SAFE Act registration requirement as an example of how an unenforceable gun control law works in practice.

Under the SAFE Act, New Yorkers were required to register their “assault weapons” by a date certain. But the mandate was met by civil disobedience and wide spread non-compliance from the state’s gun owners. Only a fraction of the estimated number of “assault rifles” in the state were ever registered.

The response by Governor Soprano and his minions was…silence. They’ve chosen to ignore it, having no desire to stir up a hornet’s nest by proactively enforcing the law. If someone is discovered with an un-registered firearm as part of a traffic stop, domestic disturbance call, burglary…whatever…then they’ll prosecute. Otherwise, the unspoken approach seems to be, in effect, don’t ask, don’t tell. And the Governor will continue to trumpet the law’s “success” in making the Empire State safer. Allegedly.

Look for the same approach in New Jersey. Neither Governor Phil Murphy or AG Grewal has any interest in going door-to-door looking for 15-round magazines. And when the State Police’s Lt. Schafer says, “We will enforce the law of the state,” that means they’ll charge you if they happen find +10-round magazines in your car during a traffic stop. Or if someone breaks into your home and they happen to see an offending magazine when they investigate.

So look for New Jersey’s gun owners to respond to their state’s latest Second Amendment infringement much as New Yorkers did. By flipping an invisible bird at the Governor and legislature and claiming all of their standard capacity magazines had been lost in an unfortunate series of tragic boating accidents.

In the mean time, the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, have pledged to appeal the decision. And New Jersey’s gun owners will bide their time, hoping for a favorable ruling.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
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To: willyd

Tend to agree. Where you might see enforcement....you are already under suspicion for some crime (harboring a criminal, holding stolen property, etc) and they have a search warrant. In that case, if they find the illegal magazine, it’ll be another added charge. You might still a hundred people a year on these type charges....only because you did some crime to get your home searched.


41 posted on 12/08/2018 8:58:01 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: TheNext

Interesting slant, Yes!


42 posted on 12/08/2018 9:00:10 PM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: SkyDancer
Are there any ten round or more revolvers?

Smith and Wesson makes a 10-round .22 revolver and Uberti makes a 12-round .22 revolver.

As I read the NJ law -- I'm not a lawyer, but I can read English -- the Uberti would be legal because it's not semi-automatic.

43 posted on 12/08/2018 9:04:36 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Every nation gets the government it deserves." -Joseph de Maistre)
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To: Simon Green

How about if I promise to only shoot the bad guy 10 times?


44 posted on 12/08/2018 10:21:37 PM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Simon Green

I have a serious question. How can the government take or make you destroy something without just compensation?

Retroactively making a legally acquire object illegal also seems problematic. I understand that there can be a “regulatory taking” if there is a compelling public good and suspect that might be how this would be argued. However some cases indicate that there must still be a residual economic benefit to the owner.


45 posted on 12/08/2018 11:35:56 PM PST by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: ctdonath2

I carry that quote from Atlas Shrugged in my wallet.


46 posted on 12/09/2018 5:48:15 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: fruser1
Anyone who has a gun during a cop encounter will have it checked. If > 10 rounds, there will be a charge.

That's pretty much how they will do it. It's a tack on crime. NY is doing that too.

47 posted on 12/09/2018 5:49:57 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: xkaydet65

Good comment! This infringement has to stop or before we know it they will limit gun ownership to colonial one-shot muskets. The fact that they haven’t already tells me they know what they are doing is BS and unconstitutional yet the courts allow it.

NJ didn’t have gun laws until the early 60’s. I recall shotguns freely carried in trucks and cars. I don’t remember handguns but I’m sure they were around.


48 posted on 12/09/2018 5:59:52 AM PST by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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To: SkyDancer

Ruger has a GP100 in .22 cal.
10 rd. STAINLESS Beauty!


49 posted on 12/09/2018 6:42:00 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: Sooth2222

Would a double action revolver be considered semi-auto since you fire each time you pull the trigger?


50 posted on 12/09/2018 7:43:39 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


51 posted on 12/09/2018 4:27:07 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Simon Green

Boating accident, he says...


52 posted on 12/10/2018 7:52:50 AM PST by gogeo (The Repubs may not always deserve to win, but the RATs always deserve to lose.)
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To: Trump.Deplorable

53 posted on 12/10/2018 8:00:09 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Trump: "In the meantime, I'm president and you're not!")
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To: Simon Green

I was going to commit a violent gun act..but it required 10 bullets in one mag.
Now instead of committing a violent gun act..
I am going to volunteer at a homeless shelter.


54 posted on 12/10/2018 8:06:17 AM PST by Leep (we need a Trump like leader for President 2024!)
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To: Dutch Boy

What if there you shoot an intruder with a 10 round magazine. Do they search the whole home after something like that?


55 posted on 12/12/2018 7:37:49 AM PST by Ruger9
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To: Ruger9

Locally in my area of western NY, they usually charge you if they find a 10+ round magazine or an unregistered semi-auto while investigating another crime. Usually when drugs or domestic violence is the reason for the call. They do not actively look for violations.

If you ever get arrested, they will put a photo of all of your weapons in the paper. One guy awhile back was arrested for drugs and in the collection of weapons they put in the paper had some muskets. I guess they were old school dealers. They also had a bb gun.


56 posted on 12/12/2018 3:26:47 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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