Posted on 11/30/2018 11:09:48 AM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
When Russia announced that they were going to build a causeway and bridge across the strait, before they even broke ground, Ukraine swore they'd blow up portions of it. Given that fact, Russia didn't change any rules, they just put a couple of small ships in the area to patrol both sides of the causeway. They also instituted patrols that travel back and forth across the bridge looking for small boats and divers in the waters around the causeway.
The three ships that were stopped are the first ones from Ukraine that didn't obey the rules. Given the fact that a very small lighter carrying supplies to a Burke class destroyer blew the destroyer nearly in half, any country concerned about attacks on a ship, bridge, or causeway, would have done the same thing Russia did which is stop any vessel that has not followed the rules and refused to halt or even respond to radio inquires from the Russian patrol vessels.
Be careful about your double standards.
President Trump announced he is nixing a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the G20 summit in Argentina on Saturday, in the wake of the seizure of Ukrainian ships and crews in the Black Sea by Russia.
“Based on the fact that the ships and sailors have not been returned to Ukraine from Russia, I have decided it would be best for all parties concerned to cancel my previously scheduled meeting in Argentina with President Vladimir Putin,” he tweeted Thursday.
“I look forward to a meaningful Summit again as soon as this situation is resolved!” he added.
Trump had told The Washington Post Tuesday that he may not meet with Putin in Buenos Aires after Russian forces fired on Ukrainian naval vessels and seized their crews as they were sailing through the Kerch Strait, near Crimea.
“I am getting a report on that tonight and that will determine what happens at the meeting,” Trump said. “I’m getting a full report on that tonight. That will be very determinative. Maybe I won’t have the meeting. Maybe I won’t even have the meeting. We’re going to see, depending on what comes out tonight.”
He later told the Post that “I don’t like that aggression.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-cancels-meeting-at-g20-with-putin-over-ukraine-tensions
It’s rare when facts matter in conflicts of passion.
Those who passionately hate Russia will see nothing but the Ukrainian claims of innocence and Russian belligerence.
The history of Ukrainian pledges to blow up the bridge will not be considered, nor will the break from established protocol by Ukraine give them pause.
“When Donald Trump and I observe that, as I’ve said, in Syria, in Iran, in Ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of Russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that’s stating painful facts. That’s not an endorsement of Vladimir Putin — that’s an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.”
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"What we’re dealing with is the — you know, there’s an old proverb that says the Russian bear never dies, it just hibernates.
And the truth of the matter is, the weak and feckless foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has awakened an aggression in Russia that first appeared a few years ago with their move in Georgia, now their move into Crimea, now their move into the wider Middle East.
It's interesting to keep track of the people who swear they're Conservatives and/or Trump supporters but who are in lock step with everything the Obama/Hillary machine says when it comes to anything international.
Break up Syria, keep Hillary's promise to bomb Iran, start as large a war as possible in Ukraine, they're all on board with every bit of it. BUT. Oh no, they're really good Conservatives, in spite of going from crying for Ukraine Tartars who went to ISIS in Syria and Afghanistan in droves to insisting Ukraine has the right to unimpeded access to a structure they've vowed to blow up.
It's also interesting how they seem to disappear whenever Ukraine is short of cash and show back up every time Ukraine ties off and shoots up another another cash fix from the US or EU.
Regards
You’ve convinced me. Putin does not control the Crimea and his troops are not in Donetsk (or would you prefer Stalino?) and Luhansk).
Euromaidan is the Deep State regime change op. Whatever they claim, the opposite is most likely to be true.
It’s interesting to keep track of the people who swear they’re Conservatives and/or Trump supporters but who are in lock step with everything the Obama/Hillary machine says when it comes to anything international.
On the contrary. It was the Obama admin that was in lock step with Putinist Russia and its western sycophants.
Obama was silent as the latest model Russian Army heavy tanks paraded through Donbas. Without Obama’s willful blindness Putin’s hybrid war invasion of Ukraine would never have been possible.
The same people who have subverted and taken over all the agencies in DC that worked hand in glove with Obama and Hillary to defeat Trump are as pure as the wind driven snow, that's why you agree with their BS. Right?
LOL, you're funny.
Have a nice day
How often did your parents tell you you were dumber than a bag of hammers, daily or weekly?
What do you have in mind sending?
We don’t have sailing rights in the sea of Azov. It’s an internal water. By the same token, Russian warships don’t have any right to sail in the Great Lakes.
BS??? There was video evidence from pro Russian “journalists” of the latest Russian Army tanks inside Ukraine conducting combat operations. The tanks were borrowed from the Russian Army by the “farmers and miners” of Donetsk? I doubt it.
It’s all moot about the Azov. After Macron insulted POTUS at the WW1 commemorations and Merkel ranted again about an EU Army I suspect Trump has little interest in European issues at the moment. Merkel has also been stonewalling on NATO reform. The EU is basically an appendage of the Democrat Party at this point. Good riddance.
What’s the problem with that? When you have a coup and gain control of the capital city that only gives you control of what your weapons can reach. Everybody else and the country has the same right to take control of any area they want the same as the coup did. If a pussy hat / BLM / Antifa mob grabs DC, do you think that makes them the new government of America? And Texas is required to fall into line?
So obviously it was daily, just like I suspected.
You're probably posting elsewhere about the danger of Guam tipping over, too, right?
Crooked oligarch Poroshenko will be gone in a couple of months and the Ukraine will have a new leader. I for one am looking forward to rapprochement with Russia in the spring.
Saith Bully Putin. But the Sea can't be internal water just of Russia when much of it borders part of what, even Putin admits, is still part of the the Ukraine. International law says the Kerch Strait is a strait and navigation through it must be permitted. So send through a ship named for a Nobel Peace Laureate, laden with media who thinks that prize was deserved, and backed by the real politic strength of a President who knows better. Would Putin arrest the CNN embeds? Would he sink a scow named for Obama? He understands PR to well to do either.
And if Putin wants to sail up Niagara falls he's free to try it, but should be aware our environmentalist lawyers will quick to sue him for any damages done to them. And the locks around the falls are clearly not natural straits.
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