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Divided We Stand The country is hopelessly split. So why not make it official and break up?
NYMAG ^ | 11/14/2018

Posted on 11/14/2018 4:00:34 PM PST by Altura Ct.

Let’s just admit that this arranged marriage isn’t really working anymore, is it? The partisan dynamic in Washington may have changed, but our dysfunctional, codependent relationship is still the same. The midterm results have shown that Democrats have become even more a party of cities and upscale suburbs whose votes are inefficiently packed into dense geographies, Republicans one of exurbs and rural areas overrepresented in the Senate. The new Congress will be more ideologically divided than any before it, according to a scoring system developed by Stanford political scientist Adam Bonica: the Republicans more conservative, the Democrats more liberal

The year is 2019. California’s new governor, Gavin Newsom, recently elected on a platform that included support for the creation of a single-payer health-care system, now must figure out how to enact it. A prior nonpartisan analysis priced it at $400 billion per year — twice the state’s current budget. There appears to be no way to finance such a plan without staggering new taxes, making California a magnet for those with chronic illnesses just as its tax rates send younger, healthier Californians house-hunting in Nevada and big tech employers consider leaving the state.

But Newsom is not alone. Other governors have made similar promises, and Newsom calls together the executives of the most ideologically like-minded states — Oregon, Washington, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland. What if they banded to create a sole unified single-payer health-care system, spreading risk around a much larger pool of potential patients while creating uniformity across some of the country’s wealthiest states?

Fifteen end up forming an interstate compact, a well-established mechanism for working together, explicitly introduced in the Constitution. They sketch out the contours of a common health-care market: a unified single-payer regime with start-up costs funded in part by the largest issue ever to hit the municipal-bond market. The governors agree, as well, on a uniform payroll tax and a new tax on millionaires and corporations set to the same rate with revenues earmarked for health-care costs. The Trump administration has already proved willing to grant waivers to states looking to experiment beyond the Affordable Care Act’s standards — primarily for the benefit of those seeking to offer plans on their exchanges with skimpier coverage. But the states can’t act unilaterally: The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress must approve establishment of any compact claiming authority that previously resided with the federal government.

Newsom pressures his friend House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi to introduce a bill that would give the compact all federal money that flows into its constituent states for health-care costs. Pelosi’s members from Arizona and Florida balk at the proposal, which they fear would enable their states’ Republican governors to gut Obamacare protections. But there are scores more from states looking to join the compact, and their governors marshal Democratic House delegations into a bloc. The bill passes the House, with the support of tea-party Republicans eager to strike a blow against federal power. When it reaches the Senate, the initiative comes from Republicans. In 2011, then–Texas governor Rick Perry championed a Health Care Compact Alliance, joined by eight other states seeking a “regulatory shield” against the Affordable Care Act and full control over their Medicare and Medicaid funds. By the time the Democratic bill passes the House, current Texas governor Greg Abbott has rallied more than 20 states, including North Carolina, Missouri, and Arizona, for a new version of the Health Care Compact. He also has the support of two prominent senators, Ted Cruz and Majority Whip John Cornyn. Republicans who had promised for nearly a decade to repeal and replace Obamacare can finally deliver on the promise — for 40 percent of the country.

The president sees opportunity, too. While running for president, Donald Trump called himself “Mr. Brexit,” a boast tied to his apocryphal claim of having accurately predicted the British vote to leave the European Union. Now he’s convinced, thanks largely to a Fox & Friends chyron reading BIGGER THAN BREXIT?, that an even more significant world-historical accomplishment is within reach. Trump lobbies Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to combine their bills. Trump beams at the Rose Garden signing ceremony, calling it “the biggest deal ever” as he goads Pelosi and McConnell into an awkward handshake. Historians will later mark it as the first step in our nation’s slow breakup, the conscious uncoupling of these United States

Let’s just admit that this arranged marriage isn’t really working anymore, is it? The partisan dynamic in Washington may have changed, but our dysfunctional, codependent relationship is still the same. The midterm results have shown that Democrats have become even more a party of cities and upscale suburbs whose votes are inefficiently packed into dense geographies, Republicans one of exurbs and rural areas overrepresented in the Senate. The new Congress will be more ideologically divided than any before it, according to a scoring system developed by Stanford political scientist Adam Bonica: the Republicans more conservative, the Democrats more liberal.

Come January, we are likely to find that we’ve simply shifted to another gear of a perpetual deadlock unlikely to satisfy either side. For the past eight years, there has been no movement toward goals with broad bipartisan support: to fund new infrastructure projects, or for basic gun-control measures like background checks or limits on bump stocks. Divided party control of Capitol Hill will make other advances even less likely. For the near future, the boldest policy proposals are likely to be rollbacks: Democrats angling to revert to a pre-Trump tax code, Republicans to repeal Obama’s health-care law. By December 7, Congress will have to pass spending bills to avoid a government shutdown. Next March looms another deadline to raise the debt ceiling.

Meanwhile, we have discovered that too many of our good-governance guardrails, from avoidance of nepotism to transparency around candidates’ finances, have been affixed by adhesion to norms rather than force of law. The breadth and depth of the dysfunction has even Establishmentarian figures ready to concede that our current system of governance is fatally broken. Some have entertained radical process reforms that would have once been unthinkable. Prominent legal academics on both the left and the right have endorsed proposals to expand the Supreme Court or abolish lifetime tenure for its members, the latter of which has been embraced by Justice Stephen Breyer. Republican senators including Cruz and Mike Lee have pushed to end direct election of senators, which they say strengthens the federal government at the expense of states’ interests.

Policy wonks across the spectrum are starting to rethink the federal compact altogether, allowing local governments to capture previously unforeseen responsibilities. Yuval Levin, a policy adviser close to both Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio, wrote in 2016 that “the absence of easy answers is precisely a reason to empower a multiplicity of problem-solvers throughout our society, rather than hoping that one problem-solver in Washington gets it right.” In a recent book, The New Localism, center-left urbanists Bruce Katz and Jeremy Nowak exalt such local policy innovation specifically as a counterweight to the populism that now dominates national politics across the Americas and Europe. Even if they don’t use the term, states’ rights has become a cause for those on the left hoping to do more than the federal government will. Both Jacobin and The Nation have praised what the latter calls “Progressive Federalism.” San Francisco city attorney Dennis Herrera has called it “the New New Federalism,” a callback to Ronald Reagan’s first-term promise to reduce Washington’s influence over local government. “All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government,” Reagan said in his 1981 inaugural address. At the time, Democrats interpreted New Federalism as high-minded cover for a strategy of dismantling New Deal and Great Society programs. Now they see it as their last best hope for a just society.

Some states have attempted to enforce their own citizenship policies, with a dozen permitting undocumented immigrants to acquire driver’s licenses and nearly twice as many to allow them to qualify for in-state tuition. Seven states, along with a slew of municipal governments, have adopted “sanctuary” policies of official noncooperation with federal immigration enforcement. Many governors, including Republicans in Massachusetts and Maryland, have refused to deploy National Guard troops to support Trump’s border policies, and California has sued the federal government to block construction of a wall along the Mexican frontier. After the Trump administration stopped defending an Obama-era Labor Department rule to expand the share of workers entitled to overtime pay, Washington State announced it would enforce its own version of the rule and advised its peers to do the same. “It is now up to states to fortify workers through strong overtime protections,” Washington governor Jay Inslee wrote last week.

In California, officials who regularly boast of overseeing the world’s fifth-largest economy have begun to talk of advancing their own foreign policy. After Trump withdrew from the Paris climate agreement, Governor Jerry Brown — he has said “we are a separate nation in our own minds” — crossed the Pacific to negotiate a bilateral carbon-emissions pact with Chinese president Xi Jinping. “It’s true I didn’t come to Washington, I came to Beijing,” said Brown, who is often received like a head of state when he travels abroad. Around the same time, Brown promised a gathering of climate scientists that the federal government couldn’t entirely kill off their access to research data. “If Trump turns off the satellites,” he said, “California will launch its own damn satellite.”

Brown’s successor Newsom comes to office just as Californians may be forced to reckon with how much farther they are willing to take this ethic of self-reliance. Since 2015, a group of California activists have been circulating petitions to give citizens a direct vote on whether they want to turn California into “a free, sovereign and independent country,” which could trigger a binding 2021 referendum on the question already being called “Calexit.”

During the Obama years, it was conservatives who’d previously talked of states’ rights who began toying with the idea of starting their own countries. “We’ve got a great union. There is absolutely no reason to dissolve it,” Rick Perry said at a tea-party rally in 2009, before adding: “But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that?” Perry’s lieutenant governor, David Dewhurst, met with members of the Texas Nationalist Movement on the opening day of a legislative session. Right after this year’s midterms, the would-be leaders of the breakaway republics of Texas and California met at a secessionist conference in Dallas. In 2012, the White House website received secession petitions from all 50 states; Texas’s was the most popular, with more than 125,000 signatures. (A counterpetition demanded that any citizen who signed one of the secession petitions be deported.) Two years later, Reuters found that nearly one-quarter of Americans said they supported the idea of their states breaking away, a position most popular among Republicans and rural westerners.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: california; daviddipietro; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; gavinnewsom; newyork; newyorkcity; secession
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To: DoodleBob

Yeah I notice the same people who have Co Exist bumper stickers on their Prius’s are the biggest a@@holes you could ever meet


61 posted on 11/14/2018 6:36:22 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: DoodleBob

Tell Kid Rock to take Michigan off the shirt. Wisconsin too. As of last Tuesday, they’re enemy territory.


62 posted on 11/14/2018 6:41:44 PM PST by sailor76 (Trump is our last hope!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Alright...and we can turn off the water from the COlorado River to California and let’s see if you can survive. Especially since you decided that a bullet train is more important that desalinization plants.


63 posted on 11/14/2018 6:41:56 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: dp0622

Amen


64 posted on 11/14/2018 6:44:03 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Sarah Barracuda

And when they can’t support themselves, they will be invading our space. Demanding food, water, oil, and money.


65 posted on 11/14/2018 6:49:38 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: Altura Ct.

Walter E. Williams wrote an article on that years ago. Probably during the reign of the Clinton Crime Cartel,


66 posted on 11/14/2018 6:49:53 PM PST by sport
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To: Ouderkirk

And that is where the wall comes into place..actually more like an electric fence, cheaper and MORE effective


67 posted on 11/14/2018 6:50:47 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: FLT-bird

No they won’t. We’re all human. Something else will piss us off to be outraged about. I’m persoanlly sick and tired about all this “the country is divided talk”. We are 300+ million people....we’re not all going to think alike. As a matter of fact it would be horribly boring if we were all the same. There have been plenty of other times in our existence where “the break up of the Union was near”....it’s all the rage now on social media and liberal enclaves because they lost in 2016 and made minimal gains in the mid terms where they should have had a tsunami. And they’ll probably lose in 2020 and we’ll bear all this bellyaching ramped up even more.


68 posted on 11/14/2018 7:08:33 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: metmom

How else do you explain the last elections. Even states such as Florida and Virginia are deeply split.


69 posted on 11/14/2018 8:10:55 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: robowombat

I think the problem is more the media and the dems.

The average person just wants to be left alone to raise their families and live in peace.


70 posted on 11/14/2018 8:14:07 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: erkelly

you’re right.

It’s the reason the other four boroughs wouldn’t let us secede when we wanted to.

it’s a microcosm of what you are talking about but it holds true.

the bums in the bronx and brooklyn NEED our blood, sweat and tears to pay for their welfare.

they eye us with bitterness and jealousy and don’t consider us part of NYC which i say THANK YOU for.

if we had seceded and thrived, it would have driven them crazy.

it’s not the best example, but i’m sure it’s the same in many states or cities or townships

one part working hard so the other part can do nothing.

war WOULD ensue if we broke off into nation states.

you’re right


71 posted on 11/14/2018 8:14:37 PM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

Precisely


72 posted on 11/14/2018 8:17:47 PM PST by thoolou (Seems the Information Age gives the illusion of information, while still being oblivious to the wold)
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To: Grimmy; All
We built this. They just parasite off of it.
It is ours. All of it. Running away wont work. Running away will still require much bloodshed. Might as well do the bloodshed and keep the land.

It is possible this would happen if some sort of Obamaesque government would make NYC the provisional capitol and call on the UN and NATO to assist in putting down the rebellion. The arrival of foreign militarize via LAX, SFIO, SEATAC and the airports of Chicago and NYC-Newark as well as in San Francisco Bay and New York harbor would really turn the conflict into a real war with significant parts of the armed forces defecting to the ‘rebels’. It would be really bloody and wars tend to escalate upwards in the scale of violence. This could well happen.

73 posted on 11/14/2018 8:19:34 PM PST by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I’m amazed you think that would work. The Left wants it all.


74 posted on 11/14/2018 9:06:55 PM PST by gogeo (The Repubs may not always deserve to win, but the RATs always deserve to lose.)
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To: Altura Ct.
Not doable - the Democrats are mostly in the big cities - they need the rural areas for raw materials, suburbs, travel etc. Republicans are mostly (though not only) rural, they need the cities for trade etc.

You split up the two and both will be much much poorer.

75 posted on 11/15/2018 12:52:58 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: TomGuy
it would be nice if a few states were solidly conservative.....both morally and financially....

we'd have to have some kind of law that citizens of the state get the first rights to buying land/farms/houses/businesses within the state, and secretly, we'd have to only sell to fellow patriots...

76 posted on 11/15/2018 1:12:08 AM PST by cherry (official troll)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Did you expect the USSC in 1869, to say that the Lincoln government was wrong after 4 years of war and thousands of lives lost?


77 posted on 11/15/2018 8:57:19 AM PST by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: Altura Ct.

Looks like this is the only way to prevent CW III.


78 posted on 11/15/2018 11:18:22 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't waiting. Do it today.)
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To: Pajamajan

CW III should be CW II.


79 posted on 11/15/2018 11:42:41 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't waiting. Do it today.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Education is the key.

Kids today don’t feel the patriotic stirrings of generations past. For the “whatever” generation, it makes no difference if those distant bigwigs in Washington are communists, capitalists or chemists. They were never taught what is right with America, only what is wrong.

That needs to be fixed, pronto.


80 posted on 11/15/2018 12:57:03 PM PST by DNME (The only solution to a BAD guy with a gun is a GOOD guy with a gun.)
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