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Divided We Stand The country is hopelessly split. So why not make it official and break up?
NYMAG ^ | 11/14/2018

Posted on 11/14/2018 4:00:34 PM PST by Altura Ct.

Let’s just admit that this arranged marriage isn’t really working anymore, is it? The partisan dynamic in Washington may have changed, but our dysfunctional, codependent relationship is still the same. The midterm results have shown that Democrats have become even more a party of cities and upscale suburbs whose votes are inefficiently packed into dense geographies, Republicans one of exurbs and rural areas overrepresented in the Senate. The new Congress will be more ideologically divided than any before it, according to a scoring system developed by Stanford political scientist Adam Bonica: the Republicans more conservative, the Democrats more liberal

The year is 2019. California’s new governor, Gavin Newsom, recently elected on a platform that included support for the creation of a single-payer health-care system, now must figure out how to enact it. A prior nonpartisan analysis priced it at $400 billion per year — twice the state’s current budget. There appears to be no way to finance such a plan without staggering new taxes, making California a magnet for those with chronic illnesses just as its tax rates send younger, healthier Californians house-hunting in Nevada and big tech employers consider leaving the state.

But Newsom is not alone. Other governors have made similar promises, and Newsom calls together the executives of the most ideologically like-minded states — Oregon, Washington, New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland. What if they banded to create a sole unified single-payer health-care system, spreading risk around a much larger pool of potential patients while creating uniformity across some of the country’s wealthiest states?

Fifteen end up forming an interstate compact, a well-established mechanism for working together, explicitly introduced in the Constitution. They sketch out the contours of a common health-care market: a unified single-payer regime with start-up costs funded in part by the largest issue ever to hit the municipal-bond market. The governors agree, as well, on a uniform payroll tax and a new tax on millionaires and corporations set to the same rate with revenues earmarked for health-care costs. The Trump administration has already proved willing to grant waivers to states looking to experiment beyond the Affordable Care Act’s standards — primarily for the benefit of those seeking to offer plans on their exchanges with skimpier coverage. But the states can’t act unilaterally: The Supreme Court has ruled that Congress must approve establishment of any compact claiming authority that previously resided with the federal government.

Newsom pressures his friend House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi to introduce a bill that would give the compact all federal money that flows into its constituent states for health-care costs. Pelosi’s members from Arizona and Florida balk at the proposal, which they fear would enable their states’ Republican governors to gut Obamacare protections. But there are scores more from states looking to join the compact, and their governors marshal Democratic House delegations into a bloc. The bill passes the House, with the support of tea-party Republicans eager to strike a blow against federal power. When it reaches the Senate, the initiative comes from Republicans. In 2011, then–Texas governor Rick Perry championed a Health Care Compact Alliance, joined by eight other states seeking a “regulatory shield” against the Affordable Care Act and full control over their Medicare and Medicaid funds. By the time the Democratic bill passes the House, current Texas governor Greg Abbott has rallied more than 20 states, including North Carolina, Missouri, and Arizona, for a new version of the Health Care Compact. He also has the support of two prominent senators, Ted Cruz and Majority Whip John Cornyn. Republicans who had promised for nearly a decade to repeal and replace Obamacare can finally deliver on the promise — for 40 percent of the country.

The president sees opportunity, too. While running for president, Donald Trump called himself “Mr. Brexit,” a boast tied to his apocryphal claim of having accurately predicted the British vote to leave the European Union. Now he’s convinced, thanks largely to a Fox & Friends chyron reading BIGGER THAN BREXIT?, that an even more significant world-historical accomplishment is within reach. Trump lobbies Pelosi and Mitch McConnell to combine their bills. Trump beams at the Rose Garden signing ceremony, calling it “the biggest deal ever” as he goads Pelosi and McConnell into an awkward handshake. Historians will later mark it as the first step in our nation’s slow breakup, the conscious uncoupling of these United States

Let’s just admit that this arranged marriage isn’t really working anymore, is it? The partisan dynamic in Washington may have changed, but our dysfunctional, codependent relationship is still the same. The midterm results have shown that Democrats have become even more a party of cities and upscale suburbs whose votes are inefficiently packed into dense geographies, Republicans one of exurbs and rural areas overrepresented in the Senate. The new Congress will be more ideologically divided than any before it, according to a scoring system developed by Stanford political scientist Adam Bonica: the Republicans more conservative, the Democrats more liberal.

Come January, we are likely to find that we’ve simply shifted to another gear of a perpetual deadlock unlikely to satisfy either side. For the past eight years, there has been no movement toward goals with broad bipartisan support: to fund new infrastructure projects, or for basic gun-control measures like background checks or limits on bump stocks. Divided party control of Capitol Hill will make other advances even less likely. For the near future, the boldest policy proposals are likely to be rollbacks: Democrats angling to revert to a pre-Trump tax code, Republicans to repeal Obama’s health-care law. By December 7, Congress will have to pass spending bills to avoid a government shutdown. Next March looms another deadline to raise the debt ceiling.

Meanwhile, we have discovered that too many of our good-governance guardrails, from avoidance of nepotism to transparency around candidates’ finances, have been affixed by adhesion to norms rather than force of law. The breadth and depth of the dysfunction has even Establishmentarian figures ready to concede that our current system of governance is fatally broken. Some have entertained radical process reforms that would have once been unthinkable. Prominent legal academics on both the left and the right have endorsed proposals to expand the Supreme Court or abolish lifetime tenure for its members, the latter of which has been embraced by Justice Stephen Breyer. Republican senators including Cruz and Mike Lee have pushed to end direct election of senators, which they say strengthens the federal government at the expense of states’ interests.

Policy wonks across the spectrum are starting to rethink the federal compact altogether, allowing local governments to capture previously unforeseen responsibilities. Yuval Levin, a policy adviser close to both Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio, wrote in 2016 that “the absence of easy answers is precisely a reason to empower a multiplicity of problem-solvers throughout our society, rather than hoping that one problem-solver in Washington gets it right.” In a recent book, The New Localism, center-left urbanists Bruce Katz and Jeremy Nowak exalt such local policy innovation specifically as a counterweight to the populism that now dominates national politics across the Americas and Europe. Even if they don’t use the term, states’ rights has become a cause for those on the left hoping to do more than the federal government will. Both Jacobin and The Nation have praised what the latter calls “Progressive Federalism.” San Francisco city attorney Dennis Herrera has called it “the New New Federalism,” a callback to Ronald Reagan’s first-term promise to reduce Washington’s influence over local government. “All of us need to be reminded that the federal government did not create the states; the states created the federal government,” Reagan said in his 1981 inaugural address. At the time, Democrats interpreted New Federalism as high-minded cover for a strategy of dismantling New Deal and Great Society programs. Now they see it as their last best hope for a just society.

Some states have attempted to enforce their own citizenship policies, with a dozen permitting undocumented immigrants to acquire driver’s licenses and nearly twice as many to allow them to qualify for in-state tuition. Seven states, along with a slew of municipal governments, have adopted “sanctuary” policies of official noncooperation with federal immigration enforcement. Many governors, including Republicans in Massachusetts and Maryland, have refused to deploy National Guard troops to support Trump’s border policies, and California has sued the federal government to block construction of a wall along the Mexican frontier. After the Trump administration stopped defending an Obama-era Labor Department rule to expand the share of workers entitled to overtime pay, Washington State announced it would enforce its own version of the rule and advised its peers to do the same. “It is now up to states to fortify workers through strong overtime protections,” Washington governor Jay Inslee wrote last week.

In California, officials who regularly boast of overseeing the world’s fifth-largest economy have begun to talk of advancing their own foreign policy. After Trump withdrew from the Paris climate agreement, Governor Jerry Brown — he has said “we are a separate nation in our own minds” — crossed the Pacific to negotiate a bilateral carbon-emissions pact with Chinese president Xi Jinping. “It’s true I didn’t come to Washington, I came to Beijing,” said Brown, who is often received like a head of state when he travels abroad. Around the same time, Brown promised a gathering of climate scientists that the federal government couldn’t entirely kill off their access to research data. “If Trump turns off the satellites,” he said, “California will launch its own damn satellite.”

Brown’s successor Newsom comes to office just as Californians may be forced to reckon with how much farther they are willing to take this ethic of self-reliance. Since 2015, a group of California activists have been circulating petitions to give citizens a direct vote on whether they want to turn California into “a free, sovereign and independent country,” which could trigger a binding 2021 referendum on the question already being called “Calexit.”

During the Obama years, it was conservatives who’d previously talked of states’ rights who began toying with the idea of starting their own countries. “We’ve got a great union. There is absolutely no reason to dissolve it,” Rick Perry said at a tea-party rally in 2009, before adding: “But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that?” Perry’s lieutenant governor, David Dewhurst, met with members of the Texas Nationalist Movement on the opening day of a legislative session. Right after this year’s midterms, the would-be leaders of the breakaway republics of Texas and California met at a secessionist conference in Dallas. In 2012, the White House website received secession petitions from all 50 states; Texas’s was the most popular, with more than 125,000 signatures. (A counterpetition demanded that any citizen who signed one of the secession petitions be deported.) Two years later, Reuters found that nearly one-quarter of Americans said they supported the idea of their states breaking away, a position most popular among Republicans and rural westerners.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California; US: New York
KEYWORDS: california; daviddipietro; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; gavinnewsom; newyork; newyorkcity; secession
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To: Altura Ct.

Allowing those states that are dominated by progressive politics secede peacefully is the only way to avoid the coming domestic violence/civil war. Let them go, I’ll happily move to a state that chooses to remain and abide by the Constitution, the other states can go an build their socialist/communist nirvana’s on their own. This would also prove that we the people have learned our lesson from history and not repeat the mistake Lincoln made by fighting the first civil war.


41 posted on 11/14/2018 4:39:07 PM PST by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: DoodleBob

Based on that shirt, how liberal screwed up is New Mexico. Is it Santa Fe and Toas the problem?


42 posted on 11/14/2018 4:40:19 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Rather do that than live like this.
How long do you think their half will exist without total collapse. Then we can wipe them all and take back the territory


43 posted on 11/14/2018 4:46:06 PM PST by ZULU (Jeff Sessions should be tried for sedition.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Okay; the dems get NYC, Chicago, Boston, L.A., Baltimore, and San Franshitco. We get everything else. Sorry Vegas; you belong to the real people.

No dems are allowed to vote in the American Republic. There will be no dems on the ballots to vote for.

No Republicans are allowed to vote in the cities mentioned. There will be a lead President and a secondary President for the city folks. Congress will be all (real) Republicans. No Jeff Flake, Murkowski, or Collins types allowed.

The cost of food in the cities will unfortunately have to go up to pay for all the welfare babies living there and some tech items may go up in the rest of the country; like Internet service and possibly computers and smart phones. I suspect many rural people will be happy to downgrade to a dumb ‘ole flip phone. Many already are.

One catch; concealed weapons permit holders will be able to go anywhere with their concealed weapons. Cities included.


44 posted on 11/14/2018 4:50:54 PM PST by Boomer (The only good leftists are those who have 'left us' for another country)
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To: Altura Ct.

People better turn back to God or no one is going to have anything.


45 posted on 11/14/2018 4:53:16 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Publius

Good post. I always recall the first part of that quote (originally from the Lord), but never paid any attention to the rest of it. This time the country will become all slave I guess.


46 posted on 11/14/2018 4:56:13 PM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: TallahasseeConservative

Democrats won’t allow us to be independent.


47 posted on 11/14/2018 5:04:05 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Grimmy

It very well may come to that, but we are not prepared. No organization.


48 posted on 11/14/2018 5:06:25 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Altura Ct.

Secession is IMO the best option for a peaceful resolution. We have two tribes who have completely different worldviews and who do not get along. That’s obvious to everybody. I’m just fine with letting the likes of the Northeast and the Left Coast go their own way. Some states will probably need to break up (eg Occupied Northern Virginia, Greater Miami, Chicago, the coastlines of California, Oregon and Washington State, NYC from the rest of New York, Philly from the rest of Pennsylvania). That’s fine. We can for a time allow a population exchange with Leftists fleeing to the two big Leftist enclaves and traditional Americans to the rest of the country. Everybody will be much happier this way.


49 posted on 11/14/2018 5:10:04 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“People better turn back to God or no one is going to have anything.”

If it is one thing that you can be certain of regarding this majority or near-majority socialist movement in America - it is that they will not turn to God, their life philosophy does not allow it. And they can’t turn “back” because they never recognized the existence of God in the first place.


50 posted on 11/14/2018 5:13:56 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (You may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you...)
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To: Altura Ct.
Of course it's nonsense. You can have sanctuary cities and thumb your nose at ICE because there is an ICE and because the border and points of entry aren't completely porous. Sanctuary cities would be in even worse shape without the federal institutions and policies that they hate -- or else they'd have to wise up and start taking illegal immigration seriously.

And national health insurance? The big insurance companies are headquartered in the blue states. How are they going to feel about getting cut out of the health insurance business?

51 posted on 11/14/2018 5:14:28 PM PST by x
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To: Altura Ct.

Even the Liberals are starting to notice.

Know what would stop it? Blacks in the South would cry out and demand the US Army conquer and occupy the South again before letting it become independent.


52 posted on 11/14/2018 5:16:28 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: Altura Ct.
More at link

Much, much more at link.

What is this guy, a friggin science fiction novelist?

The short answer to all this is that different parts of the country need the other parts to keep them from dangerous excesses.

Those millionaires in San Francisco need the red states to save them from their own radicals.

You can think up other examples if you want to take the time to think it over.

53 posted on 11/14/2018 5:20:15 PM PST by x
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To: dp0622
If such system could be worked out, and maybe it could the problem is that it would not last. The socialist/communist side would be broke and bleeding population very soon, productive people would soon be seeing the error of their ways and fleeing, while the nonproductive people would be headed toward the communist states. The communist states would soon be broke, the engine of production broken down, including agriculture, the dictators who rule the communist states would placate the people by telling them, via their state-controlled "free press" that the liberty states had gotten more than their fair share of fertile land, factories, money, etc., and that they needed to go to war and take what was "rightfully" theirs; and, by the way, the only reason the communist state was not working was because the whole country was needed to make communism work. Then, if the communist states were successful in taking over all the states, they would then be eyeing the entire continent. Communists are not peaceful and they are never content with what they have.
54 posted on 11/14/2018 5:23:22 PM PST by erkelly
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“Texas v. White. Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede.”

So you’re saying we have to kill them all instead. Okay.

(yes, I’m just kidding)


55 posted on 11/14/2018 5:27:56 PM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: TomGuy

It would have to be States. Texas for ports, the Midwest and Southern States can be the United States. East Coast, Cali, some Northern States and probably a couple Southwest States can call themselves whatever they want. Freakistan sounds pretty good to me.


56 posted on 11/14/2018 5:49:16 PM PST by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: All

My suggestion — partition is not feasible, compromise might be possible on some issues, but other issues are clearly moral choices of right or wrong. Just stick to the current plan, pray a lot, and hope that the President and others can clearly articulate the choices and the differences. If you lose California, at this point, it’s more of a symbolic than structural blow, and you know they will end up in a loose confederation with Mexico. I don’t get why anyone would toss being part of the greatest country on earth to be closer to Mexico. Ironic that millions seem to be desperate to get out of those countries then they want your country to join them. All they gain by doing that over the long run is that they see worse soccer on TV.


58 posted on 11/14/2018 6:08:56 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (vote Democrat -- and become the first living American to do so)
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To: DoodleBob

I really like that t-shirt. Unfortunately, Nevada and Arizona need to be added to Dumbfucistan.


59 posted on 11/14/2018 6:18:52 PM PST by willk (everyone)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I like this coexist bumper sticker:


60 posted on 11/14/2018 6:26:43 PM PST by DoodleBob
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